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A CS student at my university (not MIT) just raised the exact same points yesterday, so I'd say it's pretty damn relevant. It may have become less overt, but it

A CS student at my university (not MIT) just raised the exact same points yesterday, so I'd say it's pretty damn relevant. It may have become less overt, but it's no less of a shit place to be a woman in 2017 than it was in 1983.

52-6F-62 9y ago
I was involved in a long discussion about this recently, as well. It was a surprisingly noisy conversation involving far more angry young men than I expected. Anyway if the subject comes up, I recommend pointing people to the ENIAC story. Women have been buried in most tech, and at least computing, history for much longer than the past 30 years. The women in the following articles were practically unknown to history until the 1980s, even though they were involved in one of the monumental technical projects of the 20th century. For the period up until the discovery of their roles, the photos of them were thought to be "refrigerator models" showing off the machines: https://iq.intel.com/how-female-eniac-programmers-pioneered-the-software-industry/ https://iq.intel.com/how-female-eniac-programmers-pioneered-... https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB848012407846877000 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB848012407846877000 Of particular note is Betty Holberton: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Holberton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Holberton http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/17/business/frances-e-holberton-84-early-computer-programmer.html http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/17/business/frances-e-holbert...
yodsanklai 9y ago
In my university (not US), women are over-represented in academic positions. With an equivalent resume, a woman is much more likely to get hired compared to a man.
- cropsieboss 9y ago
  This is becoming true for most of the first world. Women are more successful in educational institutions than men on average already.
- deepnotderp 9y ago
  That's not just an anecdote, and not just restricted to outside the US: http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract
- lorenzhs 9y ago
  Well why wouldn't you hire the minority candidate given otherwise identical qualifications? Among others, this encourages students of said minorities to apply, leading to more qualified applicants. How you construe this as a negative is beyond me. Furthermore, there's still only around 15% women in CS here. Less among faculty. And you respond with a critique of diversity to a story detailing the awful crap women have to face every day during their studies?

52-6F-62 9y ago

I was involved in a long discussion about this recently, as well. It was a surprisingly noisy conversation involving far more angry young men than I expected. Anyway if the subject comes up, I recommend pointing people to the ENIAC story. Women have been buried in most tech, and at least computing, history for much longer than the past 30 years. The women in the following articles were practically unknown to history until the 1980s, even though they were involved in one of the monumental technical projects of the 20th century. For the period up until the discovery of their roles, the photos of them were thought to be "refrigerator models" showing off the machines: https://iq.intel.com/how-female-eniac-programmers-pioneered-the-software-industry/ https://iq.intel.com/how-female-eniac-programmers-pioneered-... https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB848012407846877000 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB848012407846877000 Of particular note is Betty Holberton: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Holberton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Holberton http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/17/business/frances-e-holberton-84-early-computer-programmer.html http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/17/business/frances-e-holbert...

yodsanklai 9y ago

In my university (not US), women are over-represented in academic positions. With an equivalent resume, a woman is much more likely to get hired compared to a man.

cropsieboss 9y ago
This is becoming true for most of the first world. Women are more successful in educational institutions than men on average already.
deepnotderp 9y ago
That's not just an anecdote, and not just restricted to outside the US: http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract
lorenzhs 9y ago
Well why wouldn't you hire the minority candidate given otherwise identical qualifications? Among others, this encourages students of said minorities to apply, leading to more qualified applicants. How you construe this as a negative is beyond me. Furthermore, there's still only around 15% women in CS here. Less among faculty. And you respond with a critique of diversity to a story detailing the awful crap women have to face every day during their studies?