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I switched my gaming desktop over to Linux this year because I just couldn't stand Win10 any more. Ubuntu is, if anything, less stable and less user-friendly th

by ashark 9y ago

I switched my gaming desktop over to Linux this year because I just couldn't stand Win10 any more. Ubuntu is, if anything, less stable and less user-friendly than when I left it nearly a decade ago (8.04 or 8.10 was when I got fed up and left, I think, mostly over Pulseaudio ruining everything), but Win10's just intolerable. I mean, 8 was bad, but this is another level of garbage. I've been a user of almost every desktop Windows since 3.1 (only exception: ME), plus a couple of the server/workstation versions (NT4, 2K), but 10 finally got me to drop it. If the Mac Mini gets an update and external video card enclosures stop costing as much as an entire mid-tier video card and/or manage to convince me I won't have to replace them every 2-3 years to keep up, I'll probably go that way. Until then, it's Linux.

zeveb 9y ago
> Ubuntu is, if anything, less stable and less user-friendly than when I left it nearly a decade ago (8.04 or 8.10 was when I got fed up and left, I think, mostly over Pulseaudio ruining everything), but Win10's just intolerable. Give Debian a shot. Given that Ubuntu is based on Debian, plus some decisions of dubious worth, Debian is basically all the good parts of Ubuntu and none of the bad. Agreed re. Windows 10. I have a Windows 10 laptop for use with software & websites which don't work on Linux (as an aside: websites that don't work on Linux: how is this even a thing in 2017?), and it's just appallingly bad. I have to wonder if the people behind its UI have ever actually used it. This isn't an issue of unfamiliarity with Windows metaphors on my part: although I'm primarily a Linux user, I've been using Windows secondarily since the 90s, and Windows 10 is essentially unusable, at least on a laptop without a mouse.
- ashark 9y ago
  > Give Debian a shot. Given that Ubuntu is based on Debian, plus some decisions of dubious worth, Debian is basically all the good parts of Ubuntu and none of the bad. Debian and Gentoo were my main distros before I went to Ubuntu for its sensible defaults (c'mon early 2000s Debian, obviously I don't want Galleon or whatever, I want Firefox, and so on for basically every other Debian default program) and pretty good just-worksitude, but maybe I do need to give Debian another shot. If Ubuntu 17.10 isn't a big improvement (Wayland is finally a thing now I guess? Mostly-vanilla Gnome as the default DE again which is obviously the right move assuming they're not willing to jump onboard with one of the retro-Gnome DEs, so maybe it'll be good?) I might visit my old friend Debian. > Agreed re. Windows 10. I have a Windows 10 laptop for use with software & websites which don't work on Linux (as an aside: websites that don't work on Linux: how is this even a thing in 2017?), and it's just appallingly bad. I have to wonder if the people behind its UI have ever actually used it. This isn't an issue of unfamiliarity with Windows metaphors on my part: although I'm primarily a Linux user, I've been using Windows secondarily since the 90s, and Windows 10 is essentially unusable, at least on a laptop without a mouse. Yep. I ditched Windows on my home desktop, but I have a Surface3 at work I have to use for certain testing. I don't know how people can be productive on it. The Surface3 itself is pretty bad (I was kind of excited to try it because I know the Surface line has a lot of positive buzz, but am now very confused where all that came from) but the hardware plus Win10 is a total disaster. Just, wow. And like you've I've spend a lot of time over a lot of years in Windows, so that's not the problem. Every time I use it any desire to go back to Win10 on my desktop vanishes.

by ashark 9y ago

zeveb 9y ago

> Ubuntu is, if anything, less stable and less user-friendly than when I left it nearly a decade ago (8.04 or 8.10 was when I got fed up and left, I think, mostly over Pulseaudio ruining everything), but Win10's just intolerable. Give Debian a shot. Given that Ubuntu is based on Debian, plus some decisions of dubious worth, Debian is basically all the good parts of Ubuntu and none of the bad. Agreed re. Windows 10. I have a Windows 10 laptop for use with software & websites which don't work on Linux (as an aside: websites that don't work on Linux: how is this even a thing in 2017?), and it's just appallingly bad. I have to wonder if the people behind its UI have ever actually used it. This isn't an issue of unfamiliarity with Windows metaphors on my part: although I'm primarily a Linux user, I've been using Windows secondarily since the 90s, and Windows 10 is essentially unusable, at least on a laptop without a mouse.

ashark 9y ago
> Give Debian a shot. Given that Ubuntu is based on Debian, plus some decisions of dubious worth, Debian is basically all the good parts of Ubuntu and none of the bad. Debian and Gentoo were my main distros before I went to Ubuntu for its sensible defaults (c'mon early 2000s Debian, obviously I don't want Galleon or whatever, I want Firefox, and so on for basically every other Debian default program) and pretty good just-worksitude, but maybe I do need to give Debian another shot. If Ubuntu 17.10 isn't a big improvement (Wayland is finally a thing now I guess? Mostly-vanilla Gnome as the default DE again which is obviously the right move assuming they're not willing to jump onboard with one of the retro-Gnome DEs, so maybe it'll be good?) I might visit my old friend Debian. > Agreed re. Windows 10. I have a Windows 10 laptop for use with software & websites which don't work on Linux (as an aside: websites that don't work on Linux: how is this even a thing in 2017?), and it's just appallingly bad. I have to wonder if the people behind its UI have ever actually used it. This isn't an issue of unfamiliarity with Windows metaphors on my part: although I'm primarily a Linux user, I've been using Windows secondarily since the 90s, and Windows 10 is essentially unusable, at least on a laptop without a mouse. Yep. I ditched Windows on my home desktop, but I have a Surface3 at work I have to use for certain testing. I don't know how people can be productive on it. The Surface3 itself is pretty bad (I was kind of excited to try it because I know the Surface line has a lot of positive buzz, but am now very confused where all that came from) but the hardware plus Win10 is a total disaster. Just, wow. And like you've I've spend a lot of time over a lot of years in Windows, so that's not the problem. Every time I use it any desire to go back to Win10 on my desktop vanishes.