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> Do you have a links to alt right writings and thought leaders that push forward this view? You mean like White Supremacy groups or neo-Nazi groups along the
by freeflight 9y ago
> Do you have a links to alt right writings and thought leaders that push forward this view?
You mean like White Supremacy groups or neo-Nazi groups along the lines of Vanguard America? Have you ever read Mein Kampf? Doesn't seem like it because then you wouldn't ask such a weird question akin to "Is the sky actually blue?".
You should hang around more "social media", especially YouTube and reddit has certain "circles" where you can meet quite a collection of individuals arguing from the Illuminati being reptile people to the more traditional stuff like "Jewish bankers controlling everything and forcing communism on everybody to eradicate the white race".
If you need a place to start, try the comments on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qs0kv_58ZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qs0kv_58ZA
Yes these kind of nutter fringe views have always been around, but in recent years they've found a new, real scary, popularity.
> I hear endlessly about this alt right ideology from the left but I can't seem to find a single person other than a few clearly fringe white nationalists who use this label.
Alt-right is not an "ideology" it's a general term for a whole slew of right-wing fringe groups which strive on being so far "anti-establishment" that even the traditional right is embarrassed by them. Many of them could probably simply be described as internet-trolls who took their trolling to the political level, pepe wasn't a coincidence.
Just like "the left" is not an ideology, but rather a whole collection of different ideologies who share a side of the spectrum.
But not everybody on the left is a communist and not everybody on the right is an ethnonationalist, a fact that gets just ignored with a dualist world view.
> In terms of rejection of establishment this can equally be found on the fringes of the left as well. Not to mention 'paranoia' and 'feelings of being surrounded' when I frequently read about the rise of 'Nazis' and fascism which again seems to be limited to a fringe at most, unless one takes seriously the extremely broad group of people who are now given these labels.
This can be found anywhere where dualist views rule the day, I merely used the alt-right as an example because it's relevant and quite fitting to our current time, especially considering how familiar some points of Kaczynski's "manifesto" sound in that regard.
> Therefore I'm extremely wary to buy into these narratives generalizing the 'other' tribes views.
I knew in advance my comment would ruffle a few feathers because discussing these kinds of issues is pretty much impossible these days, at least without being accused of being a communist/neo-Nazi by the more extreme ends of the fringes. That's the issue I'm alluding to here, not that "one side" is worse than "the other", I don't do that because I realize fully that there's always way more than just two sides to anything.
Imho simplifying political ideologies into this dualist "left vs right" view is one of the main reasons why there's been so much social conflict these past years. People don't want any nuance anymore, they want their dualist world-view reinforced where their side is the "good one" and any opposing side is automatically considered the "bad one".
I get it, it's an appealing view on the issue, making all this complicated stuff so simple. You've got problems and then you find a scapegoat and you get peace of mind, I think pretty much everybody is guilty of this, just to different degrees.
- graphitezepp 9y agoSeconded in general. One of my "things" I endlessly bore friends and family over is how absurd and harmful the overwhelmingly prevalent left vs right world view is. People need to escape this line of thought, when you do its pretty easy to see that most people agree on, say 90% or so, issues. Everyone is just too busy trying to "win" for their side to even understand why they are fighting. Too bad this duality directly works in the interests of those in power, seems pretty hard to change.
- freeflight 9y agoI usually try to plug the political compass [0] and hope people are curious enough to check it out and learn something new, I know I did. The site might not look like it but there's regular new content, like a chart for the upcoming German General Election, it's a great educational resource. [0] https://www.politicalcompass.org/ https://www.politicalcompass.org/ Edit: Just noticed they now even have an intro video on YouTube going through the basics in under 5 minutes, good stuff: https://youtu.be/5u3UCz0TM5Q https://youtu.be/5u3UCz0TM5Q