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To sum up the article, businesses are making ridiculous demands and expecting to pay prospective employees marginally above nothing. Aside from the people posti

by fiblye 9y ago

To sum up the article, businesses are making ridiculous demands and expecting to pay prospective employees marginally above nothing. Aside from the people posting these job ads, nobody is really surprised.

ComradeTaco 9y ago
Don't forget the steady reduction of benefits in addition to a base pay. I've spent time at fortune 500 engineering firms where the annual deductible for health insurance was $8,000.
- lotsofpulp 9y ago
  That's a good thing. Non-cash or non-equity remuneration needs to be separated from employers and employees. It will help employees not be beholden to the employer, help comparing different offers easier, and help smaller employers compete with larger employers by leveling the advantage larger employers have from huge HR departments.
turk183 9y ago
If you're not in some high-level management role, expect to be shat upon.
crispyambulance 9y ago
Job postings are ridiculous, but one would think employers would gradually learn a lesson when not enough applicants come forward and relax puffed-up requirements. But if anything, job "requirements" in postings have been getting even more absurd and persnickety in the last 10 years or so. Are employers simply not adapting or is there something else more complex going on? I suspect the latter.
- kbart 9y ago
  Don't forget visas. Many of these puffed-up requirements are just to show regulators that company "can't find" a suitable candidate in a local market so they must bring somebody from abroad (usually that somebody is from 3rd world country who agrees on worse pay/conditions).
- tcbawo 9y ago
  I believe many companies want to portray the image that they are successful, growing, hiring. Job listings are cheap. What is the real cost of advertising for many positions and hiring the good people that come along irrespective of the advertisement?
  - dabockster 9y ago
    > What is the real cost of advertising for many positions and hiring the good people that come along irrespective of the advertisement? If by "good people" you mean desperate workers willing to work for peanuts, then the cost is almost nonexistent. And that's the problem. Since real workers don't like to be fished.
ptero 9y ago
IME, especially at larger organizations, the job posting passes several different groups, from upper management to HR, before it sees the light of day, each with an opportunity to add some junk to an otherwise clean and reasonable post. What one not infrequently gets is a crazy mix req for Go/scripting/web design/databases/UX/algorithms/office productivity/jira/scrum/independent contributor/team player/...; pick any 7. Folks doing the interviews know what they want and ignore the rest when interviewing, but as the text of the job posting is a poor way to gauge real requirements in an automated / statistically significant fashion. My 2c.

by fiblye 9y ago

ComradeTaco 9y ago

Don't forget the steady reduction of benefits in addition to a base pay. I've spent time at fortune 500 engineering firms where the annual deductible for health insurance was $8,000.

lotsofpulp 9y ago
That's a good thing. Non-cash or non-equity remuneration needs to be separated from employers and employees. It will help employees not be beholden to the employer, help comparing different offers easier, and help smaller employers compete with larger employers by leveling the advantage larger employers have from huge HR departments.

turk183 9y ago

If you're not in some high-level management role, expect to be shat upon.

crispyambulance 9y ago

Job postings are ridiculous, but one would think employers would gradually learn a lesson when not enough applicants come forward and relax puffed-up requirements. But if anything, job "requirements" in postings have been getting even more absurd and persnickety in the last 10 years or so. Are employers simply not adapting or is there something else more complex going on? I suspect the latter.

kbart 9y ago
Don't forget visas. Many of these puffed-up requirements are just to show regulators that company "can't find" a suitable candidate in a local market so they must bring somebody from abroad (usually that somebody is from 3rd world country who agrees on worse pay/conditions).
tcbawo 9y ago
I believe many companies want to portray the image that they are successful, growing, hiring. Job listings are cheap. What is the real cost of advertising for many positions and hiring the good people that come along irrespective of the advertisement?
- dabockster 9y ago
  > What is the real cost of advertising for many positions and hiring the good people that come along irrespective of the advertisement? If by "good people" you mean desperate workers willing to work for peanuts, then the cost is almost nonexistent. And that's the problem. Since real workers don't like to be fished.

ptero 9y ago

IME, especially at larger organizations, the job posting passes several different groups, from upper management to HR, before it sees the light of day, each with an opportunity to add some junk to an otherwise clean and reasonable post. What one not infrequently gets is a crazy mix req for Go/scripting/web design/databases/UX/algorithms/office productivity/jira/scrum/independent contributor/team player/...; pick any 7. Folks doing the interviews know what they want and ignore the rest when interviewing, but as the text of the job posting is a poor way to gauge real requirements in an automated / statistically significant fashion. My 2c.