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What do you mean it was never the slogan? It's in the Code of Conduct still: https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html https://abc.xyz/investor

by rifung 9y ago

What do you mean it was never the slogan? It's in the Code of Conduct still: https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html

Jach 9y ago
Parent used the phrase "do no evil" which it never was but sometimes gets misinterpreted as. As you show, the actual phrase is "don't be evil." The two phrases mean quite different things.
- logfromblammo 9y ago
  Some of us may have the opinion that you are what you do, and not what you believe. If Google does evil, it is evil. So if the slogan is "don't be evil", then "do no evil" is a natural, logical consequence of that. I don't care what your personal religion says, I don't think you can be a good person if you do bad things, and I don't think you can say your organization is not evil when it can crush individuals and small businesses, such that they have no realistic recourse or means of redress. Google is using its temporary position of power as strength to be wielded against the weak. While it is debatable whether that qualifies as "evil", it is certainly predatory behavior. Google's size would make it a top predator, and anyone smaller should be extremely wary. When swimming with an orca, one never knows if it will play with you, or whether it will drag you under until you drown. But since we are looking as deeds rather than words, it doesn't really matter what Google's motto is or was. All that can tell us is how hypocritical they are. Just look at what Google does, and ask yourself whether you would feel comfortable actively supporting that activity. If the answer is "no", then you probably shouldn't be passively supporting it, either. I have already switched my primary search to DuckDuckGo. HN will never be my only aggregator, because I know it censors certain topics. I never took Slashdot off my launch page, even after Dice took over. You really have to spread your sources out, and not give any one person or organization enough editorial power to sway you by controlling the information you see, and that includes yourself. Get someone else to recommend a news site to you, and force yourself to use it sometimes. The only way to counter centralization on the network is intentional decentralization. What Google is doing is the equivalent of a 51% mining pool attack on Bitcoin. And the solution is the same. If you are part of the pool, leave it. If you are dependent on Google, diversify as quickly as you are able. If you are not dependent, you might want to just suspend using any Google-branded service for a while.
- rifung 9y ago
  I appreciate the explanation and should learn to read

by rifung 9y ago

What do you mean it was never the slogan? It's in the Code of Conduct still: https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html

Jach 9y ago

Parent used the phrase "do no evil" which it never was but sometimes gets misinterpreted as. As you show, the actual phrase is "don't be evil." The two phrases mean quite different things.

logfromblammo 9y ago
Some of us may have the opinion that you are what you do, and not what you believe. If Google does evil, it is evil. So if the slogan is "don't be evil", then "do no evil" is a natural, logical consequence of that. I don't care what your personal religion says, I don't think you can be a good person if you do bad things, and I don't think you can say your organization is not evil when it can crush individuals and small businesses, such that they have no realistic recourse or means of redress. Google is using its temporary position of power as strength to be wielded against the weak. While it is debatable whether that qualifies as "evil", it is certainly predatory behavior. Google's size would make it a top predator, and anyone smaller should be extremely wary. When swimming with an orca, one never knows if it will play with you, or whether it will drag you under until you drown. But since we are looking as deeds rather than words, it doesn't really matter what Google's motto is or was. All that can tell us is how hypocritical they are. Just look at what Google does, and ask yourself whether you would feel comfortable actively supporting that activity. If the answer is "no", then you probably shouldn't be passively supporting it, either. I have already switched my primary search to DuckDuckGo. HN will never be my only aggregator, because I know it censors certain topics. I never took Slashdot off my launch page, even after Dice took over. You really have to spread your sources out, and not give any one person or organization enough editorial power to sway you by controlling the information you see, and that includes yourself. Get someone else to recommend a news site to you, and force yourself to use it sometimes. The only way to counter centralization on the network is intentional decentralization. What Google is doing is the equivalent of a 51% mining pool attack on Bitcoin. And the solution is the same. If you are part of the pool, leave it. If you are dependent on Google, diversify as quickly as you are able. If you are not dependent, you might want to just suspend using any Google-branded service for a while.
rifung 9y ago
I appreciate the explanation and should learn to read