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Where? Can you cite one that argues Google is a monopoly and also argues against ISP broadband monopolies? All the ones I see are slanted, for example [1], >

Where? Can you cite one that argues Google is a monopoly and also argues against ISP broadband monopolies? All the ones I see are slanted, for example [1], > "In their net neutrality fairy tale, internet service providers (ISPs) are the ‘big bad wolf,’ bent on creating paid ‘fast lanes’ and blocking the websites of entrepreneurs (who invariably work out of their garages). It sounds like a frightful tale, except that ISPs have never offered paid fast lanes or blocked small business owners’ web sites (run out of garages or otherwise). Meanwhile, the biggest baddest wolf the world has ever known — Google — swallowed the internet ecosystem whole and spit out its bones." [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/fredcampbell/2017/05/03/the-truth-about-net-neutrality-the-left-and-google/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/fredcampbell/2017/05/03/the-tru... Edit: Please explain your downvotes, thanks!

azakai 9y ago
You asked for something more specific now than you asked for earlier. But here's an article that mentions Google is a monopoly and also mentions net neutrality: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/30/16226616/barry-lynn-google-new-america https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/30/16226616/b... > New America eventually emerged as one of the most forceful voices in favor of “net neutrality” — a key progressive advocacy goal that also aligned with Google’s corporate objectives. It's not surprising it mentions net neutrality because New America was focused on it (as was Google). The article is also critical of telcoms, > And, indeed, for years it was common to hear telecom industry lobbyists complain that it was inappropriate for journalists to take New America’s policy expertise on these subjects at face value — arguing that the think tank was basically just a cut-out for Google. Telecom companies, too, have their own favorite think tanks. It's not rare to see think pieces that support net neutrality and/or oppose telcom dominance, so it's not surprising there are articles talking about Google's dominance that also mention those.
- unityByFreedom 9y ago
  > You asked for something more specific now than you asked for earlier. Nope, not at all. I said articles that mention Google/Facebook monopolies never mention ISP monopolies. That's true, they don't, including the vox article you link. > The article is also critical of telcoms Perhaps you misread the quote. That is reporting, not criticism. From the same article, this is criticism, << Google, like any other giant company, is going to sometimes find itself in the regulatory crosshairs, throwing its weight around to try to get away with things that maybe shouldn't be allowed. “Don't be evil” was a nice idea while it lasted, but business is business and politics is politics — no exceptions. >>
  - azakai 9y ago
    I may have misunderstood you. When you wrote > they would mention ISP's broadband monopolies and net neutrality I thought you meant they never mention either. Now it sounds like you meant they never mention them both together. It seems odd to expect an article focused on criticizing Google to also criticize a bunch of other things at the same time. I don't think the lack of that proves anything.
    - unityByFreedom 9y ago
      > It seems odd to expect an article focused on criticizing Google to also criticize a bunch of other things at the same time It's not just about this one article. It's that none of those critiquing Google mention the ISP monopolies that everyone knows are there. If I were going to rage about tech monopolies as a journalist, and I believed both of these were monopolies, I'd mention both. > I don't think the lack of that proves anything. No sweat, I don't expect everyone to agree with me. I often see Google critiqued as left-leaning, and NN critiqued as leftist policy. I noticed a pattern in recent news. It's fine if you don't see it the way I do.

azakai 9y ago

You asked for something more specific now than you asked for earlier. But here's an article that mentions Google is a monopoly and also mentions net neutrality: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/30/16226616/barry-lynn-google-new-america https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/30/16226616/b... > New America eventually emerged as one of the most forceful voices in favor of “net neutrality” — a key progressive advocacy goal that also aligned with Google’s corporate objectives. It's not surprising it mentions net neutrality because New America was focused on it (as was Google). The article is also critical of telcoms, > And, indeed, for years it was common to hear telecom industry lobbyists complain that it was inappropriate for journalists to take New America’s policy expertise on these subjects at face value — arguing that the think tank was basically just a cut-out for Google. Telecom companies, too, have their own favorite think tanks. It's not rare to see think pieces that support net neutrality and/or oppose telcom dominance, so it's not surprising there are articles talking about Google's dominance that also mention those.

unityByFreedom 9y ago
> You asked for something more specific now than you asked for earlier. Nope, not at all. I said articles that mention Google/Facebook monopolies never mention ISP monopolies. That's true, they don't, including the vox article you link. > The article is also critical of telcoms Perhaps you misread the quote. That is reporting, not criticism. From the same article, this is criticism, << Google, like any other giant company, is going to sometimes find itself in the regulatory crosshairs, throwing its weight around to try to get away with things that maybe shouldn't be allowed. “Don't be evil” was a nice idea while it lasted, but business is business and politics is politics — no exceptions. >>
- azakai 9y ago
  I may have misunderstood you. When you wrote > they would mention ISP's broadband monopolies and net neutrality I thought you meant they never mention either. Now it sounds like you meant they never mention them both together. It seems odd to expect an article focused on criticizing Google to also criticize a bunch of other things at the same time. I don't think the lack of that proves anything.
  - unityByFreedom 9y ago
    > It seems odd to expect an article focused on criticizing Google to also criticize a bunch of other things at the same time It's not just about this one article. It's that none of those critiquing Google mention the ISP monopolies that everyone knows are there. If I were going to rage about tech monopolies as a journalist, and I believed both of these were monopolies, I'd mention both. > I don't think the lack of that proves anything. No sweat, I don't expect everyone to agree with me. I often see Google critiqued as left-leaning, and NN critiqued as leftist policy. I noticed a pattern in recent news. It's fine if you don't see it the way I do.