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Not sure what the point of all this is. Thousands of very smart, accomplished men and women have gone through GenEd at Harvard without murdering multiple peopl

Not sure what the point of all this is. Thousands of very smart, accomplished men and women have gone through GenEd at Harvard without murdering multiple people. Personally I think Kaczynski was influenced more by his inability to get a date in his entire life.

asdfologist 9y ago
Not sure what the point of all this is. Thousands of very smart, accomplished men and women have gone through date-less lives without murdering multiple people.
- arnioxux 9y ago
  Newton, Nietzsche, Beethoven, Tesla, etc
sand500 9y ago
The point is that he was expirimented on with procedures that could be called torture.
tray5 9y ago
>Personally I think Kaczynski was influenced more by his inability to get a date in his entire life. You should read his manifesto, the dude had some funky ideas about society and there's no excuse for murdering innocent poeple, but he does defend what he believes in very vigorously. He wasn't a man without an ideological backing.
- pvg 9y ago
  That's pretty much "Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos." Lots of mentally ill people defend what they believe in very vigorously.
  - ramphastidae 9y ago
    What's wrong with socialism?
  - tray5 9y ago
    Not what I'm saying, I'm saying it is well thought out and has reasoned arguments. Not just that he believes in it a lot.
    - pvg 9y ago
      Really? You're one of few people who think that. The 'manifesto' hits the crazy right off the bat and sticks to it for 35k words. "One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism [...] When we speak of leftists in this article we have in mind mainly socialists, collectivists, “politically correct” types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and the like [...] Thus, what we mean by “leftism” will emerge more clearly in the course of our discussion of leftist psychology. (Also, see paragraphs 227-230.) [...] By “feelings of inferiority” we mean not only inferiority feelings in the strict sense but a whole spectrum of related traits; low self-esteem, feelings of powerlessness, depressive tendencies, defeatism, guilt, self- hatred, etc. We argue that modern leftists tend to have some such feelings (possibly more or less repressed) and that these feelings are decisive in determining the direction of modern leftism." You can get stuff of this quality by the shovelful from your typical bad subreddit, although usually not by one person all at once.
      - titzer 9y ago
        > We argue that modern leftists tend to have some such feelings (possibly more or less repressed) and that these feelings are decisive in determining the direction of modern leftism. So he made a (controversial) argument about leftists which actually fits in with his broader point that humans these days are not able to self actualize and therefore suffer from repressed feelings. IMO the statement he made is significantly less crazy than Freud's "scientific" theory of penis envy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_envy#Freud.27s_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_envy#Freud.27s_theory), which was treated as an actual theory by the scientific community for _decades_. It's a bit polemic about leftists in that regard, but do you think the overall point is invalid? If so, maybe argue why instead of just calling him crazy.
- mynameishere 9y ago
  Lots of murderers leave behind manifestos. For some reason, Kaczynski's has always been well-regarded by the media. This is a testament to its sheer political banality, rather than any "funkiness". The guy was sayin' what all the newsmen were merely thinking. "Cool!" Now, Elliot Rodgers had a funky manifesto.
watwut 9y ago
The date thing is quite a novel interpretation. Also only 22 people went through long psychological experiment he did and afaik they were all older. It might be surprising, but women in fact don't have civilising effect on brutes nor cure mental disease nor change peoples with philosophies (which he possibly did not had). Plenty of violent people with girlfriend in history.
- mrguyorama 9y ago
  It's likely more in reference to "incels" and the manifesto of Elliot Rogers
  - watwut 9y ago
    I read the manifesto, but don't really see the reference? Elliot Rogers seemed to have trouble interpreting world around him, he was not ok up there. Unabimber is according to article different case.
johnvonneumann 9y ago
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem You went full ad hominem. Never go full ad hominem.

asdfologist 9y ago

Not sure what the point of all this is. Thousands of very smart, accomplished men and women have gone through date-less lives without murdering multiple people.

arnioxux 9y ago
Newton, Nietzsche, Beethoven, Tesla, etc

sand500 9y ago

The point is that he was expirimented on with procedures that could be called torture.

tray5 9y ago

>Personally I think Kaczynski was influenced more by his inability to get a date in his entire life. You should read his manifesto, the dude had some funky ideas about society and there's no excuse for murdering innocent poeple, but he does defend what he believes in very vigorously. He wasn't a man without an ideological backing.

pvg 9y ago
That's pretty much "Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos." Lots of mentally ill people defend what they believe in very vigorously.
- ramphastidae 9y ago
  What's wrong with socialism?
- tray5 9y ago
  Not what I'm saying, I'm saying it is well thought out and has reasoned arguments. Not just that he believes in it a lot.
  - pvg 9y ago
    Really? You're one of few people who think that. The 'manifesto' hits the crazy right off the bat and sticks to it for 35k words. "One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism [...] When we speak of leftists in this article we have in mind mainly socialists, collectivists, “politically correct” types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and the like [...] Thus, what we mean by “leftism” will emerge more clearly in the course of our discussion of leftist psychology. (Also, see paragraphs 227-230.) [...] By “feelings of inferiority” we mean not only inferiority feelings in the strict sense but a whole spectrum of related traits; low self-esteem, feelings of powerlessness, depressive tendencies, defeatism, guilt, self- hatred, etc. We argue that modern leftists tend to have some such feelings (possibly more or less repressed) and that these feelings are decisive in determining the direction of modern leftism." You can get stuff of this quality by the shovelful from your typical bad subreddit, although usually not by one person all at once.
    - titzer 9y ago
      > We argue that modern leftists tend to have some such feelings (possibly more or less repressed) and that these feelings are decisive in determining the direction of modern leftism. So he made a (controversial) argument about leftists which actually fits in with his broader point that humans these days are not able to self actualize and therefore suffer from repressed feelings. IMO the statement he made is significantly less crazy than Freud's "scientific" theory of penis envy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_envy#Freud.27s_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_envy#Freud.27s_theory), which was treated as an actual theory by the scientific community for _decades_. It's a bit polemic about leftists in that regard, but do you think the overall point is invalid? If so, maybe argue why instead of just calling him crazy.
mynameishere 9y ago
Lots of murderers leave behind manifestos. For some reason, Kaczynski's has always been well-regarded by the media. This is a testament to its sheer political banality, rather than any "funkiness". The guy was sayin' what all the newsmen were merely thinking. "Cool!" Now, Elliot Rodgers had a funky manifesto.

watwut 9y ago

The date thing is quite a novel interpretation. Also only 22 people went through long psychological experiment he did and afaik they were all older. It might be surprising, but women in fact don't have civilising effect on brutes nor cure mental disease nor change peoples with philosophies (which he possibly did not had). Plenty of violent people with girlfriend in history.

mrguyorama 9y ago
It's likely more in reference to "incels" and the manifesto of Elliot Rogers
- watwut 9y ago
  I read the manifesto, but don't really see the reference? Elliot Rogers seemed to have trouble interpreting world around him, he was not ok up there. Unabimber is according to article different case.

johnvonneumann 9y ago

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem You went full ad hominem. Never go full ad hominem.