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I stopped reading at "has caused Microsoft to develop operating systems that people wanted". - Telemetry. - Candy Crush. - Updates crammed down my throat. -

I stopped reading at "has caused Microsoft to develop operating systems that people wanted". - Telemetry. - Candy Crush. - Updates crammed down my throat. - ReFS removed from W10 Pro. - Still an OS that doesn't know if it's for touch or keyboard/mouse. The information density on Settings app for example is laughable on a 27 inch monitor. - Every major update used to reset search/privacy settings. But yeah, it's what people wanted.

sigi45 9y ago
It works. I can play games on it. I can play much more games on it and easier than on linux and macos. Lightroom runs on it. Everyone knows it. But still your comment doesn't even answer the comment you commented on. I use windows and arch linux and ubuntu. Like them all. And yes my arch linux i need to update anyway otherwise my chrome and kernel is out of date and insecure.
- 8draco8 9y ago
  Your Windows installation is insecure full stop. No matter when you patched. Even if all vulnerabilities would be patched then there are still backdoors siting and waiting to be exploited.
  - d44m 9y ago
    So is your Android, iOS, macOS and every linux flavour out there. What's so special about Windows being insecure?
    - cliffy 9y ago
      Closed-source just ups the uncertainty about security. I'm not saying open source is a panacea, but I think in general it increases certainty about security to some extent.
      - sigi45 9y ago
        You remember the OpenSSL debacle?
hungerstrike 9y ago
Yeah nobody wants Windows. That's why they only have like 90% of the desktop OS market share. Windows 10 alone has roughly 10 times more users than the Macintosh OS or Linux.
- 8draco8 9y ago
  90% market share is a sum of marketing, good enough product 30 years ago, backwards compatibility and user habits. Many users, especially those living in browser, don't care about OS, they are perfectly fine on Ubuntu but they either don't know that there is something else than Windows or they are afraid of trying something new. I am talking here about majority of computer users not tech savvy crowd visiting HN.
  - dTal 9y ago
    At this point I think it's largely a lack of viable alternatives. Despite increasingly loud noises of complaint from Windows users, it remains the only reasonable thing for a vendor to preinstall on a computer. OSX only comes on (expensive) Macs, and they tried Linux on netbooks back in 2007 and it was a disaster (partly due to vendor fragmentation, partly due to marketing that papered over the whole "different OS" issue). We so nearly had it with Ubuntu. I suspect sooner or later Google will pull it off in some form or another, if ChromeOS doesn't already count.
    - 8draco8 9y ago
      Linux on laptop is a big success but only for specific audience. Dell have a lot of sales with their XPS Developer Edition and Project Sputnik http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/01/dell-talk-linux-laptops-distros-sales http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/01/dell-talk-linux-laptops-d...
romanovcode 9y ago
Do you realise that 99% of consumers are not IT related? This means that 95% of people who own windows do not care about all the issues you pointed out. I subtracted 4% because some people do not like the telemetry and maybe 0.001% dislike the fact that candy-crush is pre-installed.

sigi45 9y ago

It works. I can play games on it. I can play much more games on it and easier than on linux and macos. Lightroom runs on it. Everyone knows it. But still your comment doesn't even answer the comment you commented on. I use windows and arch linux and ubuntu. Like them all. And yes my arch linux i need to update anyway otherwise my chrome and kernel is out of date and insecure.

8draco8 9y ago
Your Windows installation is insecure full stop. No matter when you patched. Even if all vulnerabilities would be patched then there are still backdoors siting and waiting to be exploited.
- d44m 9y ago
  So is your Android, iOS, macOS and every linux flavour out there. What's so special about Windows being insecure?
  - cliffy 9y ago
    Closed-source just ups the uncertainty about security. I'm not saying open source is a panacea, but I think in general it increases certainty about security to some extent.
    - sigi45 9y ago
      You remember the OpenSSL debacle?

hungerstrike 9y ago

Yeah nobody wants Windows. That's why they only have like 90% of the desktop OS market share. Windows 10 alone has roughly 10 times more users than the Macintosh OS or Linux.

8draco8 9y ago
90% market share is a sum of marketing, good enough product 30 years ago, backwards compatibility and user habits. Many users, especially those living in browser, don't care about OS, they are perfectly fine on Ubuntu but they either don't know that there is something else than Windows or they are afraid of trying something new. I am talking here about majority of computer users not tech savvy crowd visiting HN.
- dTal 9y ago
  At this point I think it's largely a lack of viable alternatives. Despite increasingly loud noises of complaint from Windows users, it remains the only reasonable thing for a vendor to preinstall on a computer. OSX only comes on (expensive) Macs, and they tried Linux on netbooks back in 2007 and it was a disaster (partly due to vendor fragmentation, partly due to marketing that papered over the whole "different OS" issue). We so nearly had it with Ubuntu. I suspect sooner or later Google will pull it off in some form or another, if ChromeOS doesn't already count.
  - 8draco8 9y ago
    Linux on laptop is a big success but only for specific audience. Dell have a lot of sales with their XPS Developer Edition and Project Sputnik http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/01/dell-talk-linux-laptops-distros-sales http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/01/dell-talk-linux-laptops-d...

romanovcode 9y ago

Do you realise that 99% of consumers are not IT related? This means that 95% of people who own windows do not care about all the issues you pointed out. I subtracted 4% because some people do not like the telemetry and maybe 0.001% dislike the fact that candy-crush is pre-installed.