>>> Rights exist for humans regardless of whether or not they are being governed I don't know, I mean rights as we know it didn't exist until relatively recent

>>> Rights exist for humans regardless of whether or not they are being governed I don't know, I mean rights as we know it didn't exist until relatively recently when they were recognised and enforced by governments. I don't see how "free speech" can exist without something protecting that right. Yes, I know, technically the person shutting you up is technically violating your right. But without an objective arbiter such as society, they were just exercising their right to shut you up, which, in their view, is their god given right, who's to say.