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>We as European businessmen were and still are unable to generate the same kind of innovation as the US I don't want US innovation. Thanks for the offer.

wolco 9y ago
Does that mean you avoid services like facebook or google? Many of those innovations are based on data collection and using that to make customer segments to sell targeted ads. Without that model you may be asked to pay a few dollars or see additional ads that are more likely to be less interesting.
- Sir_Substance 9y ago
  >Does that mean you avoid services like facebook or google? Like the fucking plague. You should too.
- Silhouette 9y ago
  Does that mean you avoid services like facebook or google? Plenty of us do.
  - pmontra 9y ago
    I'm afraid it's a small "plenty" but as a European data point I'm using an Android phone right now. I'm not logged in any Google service with the exception of Google Play. My mail is not on Gmail. I'm not logged in Facebook too and I don't have their app. However I do have their Pages and Messenger apps because of work. Maybe I could ditch Messenger because almost nobody I know uses it. Everybody is on WhatsApp (another Facebook property) and a few people are on Telegram (developers). Could I do without WhatsApp? Maybe but it would be hard. I'm almost not using Facebook anymore because it's became so boring after 10 years of the same stuff.
- tormeh 9y ago
  >Does that mean you avoid services like facebook or google? No. Can't. I can't do my job without Google and my social life wouldn't survive without Facebook (messenger, groups, events). Using these services is not voluntary at this point.
  - ghaff 9y ago
    >Using these services is not voluntary at this point. Of course it is. You just don't want to because it's not convenient.
    - tormeh 9y ago
      Eating food is not mandatory either, but it's very convenient.
      - Multicomp 9y ago
        If you don't eat, your life ends If you never get on Facebook again, what? You have to write snail-mail letters or use group MMS? How has HN become an argument for why eating food is not in fact mandatory?
- ionised 9y ago
  I avoid them like I avoid a wildfire. Have done for nearly 5 years after I came to terms with the scale of the data collection they were performing.
raugustinus 9y ago
So you don't need that new law?
- mbroncano 9y ago
  I'm not a child but I'd rather have children protection laws. Fragile as American ego they should say.

wolco 9y ago

Does that mean you avoid services like facebook or google? Many of those innovations are based on data collection and using that to make customer segments to sell targeted ads. Without that model you may be asked to pay a few dollars or see additional ads that are more likely to be less interesting.

Sir_Substance 9y ago
>Does that mean you avoid services like facebook or google? Like the fucking plague. You should too.
Silhouette 9y ago
Does that mean you avoid services like facebook or google? Plenty of us do.
- pmontra 9y ago
  I'm afraid it's a small "plenty" but as a European data point I'm using an Android phone right now. I'm not logged in any Google service with the exception of Google Play. My mail is not on Gmail. I'm not logged in Facebook too and I don't have their app. However I do have their Pages and Messenger apps because of work. Maybe I could ditch Messenger because almost nobody I know uses it. Everybody is on WhatsApp (another Facebook property) and a few people are on Telegram (developers). Could I do without WhatsApp? Maybe but it would be hard. I'm almost not using Facebook anymore because it's became so boring after 10 years of the same stuff.
tormeh 9y ago
>Does that mean you avoid services like facebook or google? No. Can't. I can't do my job without Google and my social life wouldn't survive without Facebook (messenger, groups, events). Using these services is not voluntary at this point.
- ghaff 9y ago
  >Using these services is not voluntary at this point. Of course it is. You just don't want to because it's not convenient.
  - tormeh 9y ago
    Eating food is not mandatory either, but it's very convenient.
    - Multicomp 9y ago
      If you don't eat, your life ends If you never get on Facebook again, what? You have to write snail-mail letters or use group MMS? How has HN become an argument for why eating food is not in fact mandatory?
ionised 9y ago
I avoid them like I avoid a wildfire. Have done for nearly 5 years after I came to terms with the scale of the data collection they were performing.

raugustinus 9y ago

So you don't need that new law?

mbroncano 9y ago
I'm not a child but I'd rather have children protection laws. Fragile as American ego they should say.