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You probably know this but because of project Treble for future versions after Android Oreo will probably be adopted more quickly. It is unlikely for Oreo to d

You probably know this but because of project Treble for future versions after Android Oreo will probably be adopted more quickly. It is unlikely for Oreo to do much better then Nougat then from what I have read.

pjmlp 9y ago
Anyone beliveing that project Treble will change anything should listen to the ADB Podcast about it. http://androidbackstage.blogspot.de/2017/08/episode-75-project-treble-for-hal-of-it.html http://androidbackstage.blogspot.de/2017/08/episode-75-proje... Key points: 1 - Google will keep on allowing OEMs to customize Android 2 - OEMs will keep being responsible for delivering updates 3 - OEMs are advised to push fixes upstream and provide updates Given that they are just advised, and not required to act accordingly, do you want to bet how many will provide Treble updates instead of selling new handsets?
- limeblack 9y ago
  That's not what this top comment says https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15066729 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15066729 at least that's how I interpreted it.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Listen to the podcast.
- sigmar 9y ago
  You are dead on. The problem is incentives. There is no technical solution to solve the issue of OEMs not wanting to spend time/resources on updating older phones. Treble will help out LineageOS, CopperheadOS, and XDA devs. But it won't improve the update cycles for OEMs when their business (ie profit aims) pressures them to limit development resources to new phones.
  - bingobob 9y ago
    but wouldn't treble allow for there custom Android to be updated across there fleet of devices where currently each product has to get its custom build with drivers etc.
    - limeblack 9y ago
      Yes this is how I interpreted it but I'm sure the other people here probably know much more which leads me to believe that must not be the case.
haikuginger 9y ago
Which iteration of "project that will definitely reduce Android device fragmentation and ensure that all capable devices will get the new software version as soon as possible" are we on at this point?
- zanny 9y ago
  Is it the one where vendors are upstreaming their drivers to Linux mainline, properly supporting them in tree, and users are able to audit and trust their phones for the first time ever? Because that is the actual answer. Everything else is a compromise trying to please vendors who are only trying to exploit users for profit through planned obsolescence and withholding knowledge of how their devices work.

pjmlp 9y ago

Anyone beliveing that project Treble will change anything should listen to the ADB Podcast about it. http://androidbackstage.blogspot.de/2017/08/episode-75-project-treble-for-hal-of-it.html http://androidbackstage.blogspot.de/2017/08/episode-75-proje... Key points: 1 - Google will keep on allowing OEMs to customize Android 2 - OEMs will keep being responsible for delivering updates 3 - OEMs are advised to push fixes upstream and provide updates Given that they are just advised, and not required to act accordingly, do you want to bet how many will provide Treble updates instead of selling new handsets?

limeblack 9y ago
That's not what this top comment says https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15066729 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15066729 at least that's how I interpreted it.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  Listen to the podcast.
sigmar 9y ago
You are dead on. The problem is incentives. There is no technical solution to solve the issue of OEMs not wanting to spend time/resources on updating older phones. Treble will help out LineageOS, CopperheadOS, and XDA devs. But it won't improve the update cycles for OEMs when their business (ie profit aims) pressures them to limit development resources to new phones.
- bingobob 9y ago
  but wouldn't treble allow for there custom Android to be updated across there fleet of devices where currently each product has to get its custom build with drivers etc.
  - limeblack 9y ago
    Yes this is how I interpreted it but I'm sure the other people here probably know much more which leads me to believe that must not be the case.

haikuginger 9y ago

Which iteration of "project that will definitely reduce Android device fragmentation and ensure that all capable devices will get the new software version as soon as possible" are we on at this point?

zanny 9y ago
Is it the one where vendors are upstreaming their drivers to Linux mainline, properly supporting them in tree, and users are able to audit and trust their phones for the first time ever? Because that is the actual answer. Everything else is a compromise trying to please vendors who are only trying to exploit users for profit through planned obsolescence and withholding knowledge of how their devices work.