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Article 43: > In order to ensure that consent is freely given, consent should not provide a valid legal ground for the processing of personal data in a specifi

Article 43: > In order to ensure that consent is freely given, consent should not provide a valid legal ground for the processing of personal data in a specific case where there is a clear imbalance between the data subject and the controller, in particular where the controller is a public authority and it is therefore unlikely that consent was freely given in all the circumstances of that specific situation. Consent is presumed not to be freely given if it does not allow separate consent to be given to different personal data processing operations despite it being appropriate in the individual case, or if the performance of a contract, including the provision of a service, is dependent on the consent despite such consent not being necessary for such performance. (My italics.) The second sentence seems clear: "consent is presumed not to be freely given" if the service could be provided without the consent. Which means consent cannot be traded in exchange for an unrelated service, like e.g. webmail. I'm not sure what the relation between the two sentences is. Does the second one ("consent is presumed...") apply only to the cases addressed by the first, i.e. "where there is a clear imbalance"? Or are they independent?

dordoka 9y ago
Again IANAL and not english native speaker, but my understanding is that they are not independent. Consent is presumed not to be freely given IF it does not allow..., OR IF the performance...
- danarmak 9y ago
  I was asking about the relation to the first sentence, the one starting with "In order to ensure that". That first sentence talks about "a specific case where there is a clear imbalance between the data subject and the controller, in particular where the controller is a public authority". Is the second sentence ("Consent is presumed not to be freely given...") limited to cases with such imbalance?
  - dordoka 9y ago
    Oh sorry. In that case, my understanding is that they are independent.
grabeh 9y ago
The above is a recital which gives background and useful in interpretation. However Article 7 is the meat in relation to consent. https://www.privacy-regulation.eu/en/7.htm https://www.privacy-regulation.eu/en/7.htm In answer to your question the two items are independent. The first item gets at the idea that it's not possible to provide consent where the you really have no choice but to consent (i.e due to imbalance of power). One area of particular interest is in the field of employer-employee relations. Bundling up consent with a job offers means it's very difficult for the employer to refuse. The other item gets at general service provision. You shouldn't make consent a condition of providing a service where that consent isn't necessary to provide the service. So really the feeling at least consent-wise is that Google cannot attach consent to gather info for advertising with a service provision like search. However they may instead seek to rely on a separate processing ground under art 6. The main one would be legitimate interests. There is some debate over the applicability if that ground is acceptable though. /edit Plus the new ePrivacy Regulation brings additional considerations - in particular there's not currently any legitimate interests ground for processing
raugustinus 9y ago
That's like a 50+ word sentence. I do hate these legal shenanigans. If you can't write it in plain English is not worth the bytes taken.
- mbroncano 9y ago
  You can argue against the chosen font type, and it'd be still irrelevant. Most educated adults are able to read sentences longer than a few words. For the rest, trust your representatives.
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  - raugustinus 9y ago
    It's not about people being able to read it. It's about trying to be intellectual. Long sentences are usually prone to interpretation. There is no value in making sentences this long. But that's just my opinion.

dordoka 9y ago

Again IANAL and not english native speaker, but my understanding is that they are not independent. Consent is presumed not to be freely given IF it does not allow..., OR IF the performance...

danarmak 9y ago
I was asking about the relation to the first sentence, the one starting with "In order to ensure that". That first sentence talks about "a specific case where there is a clear imbalance between the data subject and the controller, in particular where the controller is a public authority". Is the second sentence ("Consent is presumed not to be freely given...") limited to cases with such imbalance?
- dordoka 9y ago
  Oh sorry. In that case, my understanding is that they are independent.

grabeh 9y ago

The above is a recital which gives background and useful in interpretation. However Article 7 is the meat in relation to consent. https://www.privacy-regulation.eu/en/7.htm https://www.privacy-regulation.eu/en/7.htm In answer to your question the two items are independent. The first item gets at the idea that it's not possible to provide consent where the you really have no choice but to consent (i.e due to imbalance of power). One area of particular interest is in the field of employer-employee relations. Bundling up consent with a job offers means it's very difficult for the employer to refuse. The other item gets at general service provision. You shouldn't make consent a condition of providing a service where that consent isn't necessary to provide the service. So really the feeling at least consent-wise is that Google cannot attach consent to gather info for advertising with a service provision like search. However they may instead seek to rely on a separate processing ground under art 6. The main one would be legitimate interests. There is some debate over the applicability if that ground is acceptable though. /edit Plus the new ePrivacy Regulation brings additional considerations - in particular there's not currently any legitimate interests ground for processing

raugustinus 9y ago

That's like a 50+ word sentence. I do hate these legal shenanigans. If you can't write it in plain English is not worth the bytes taken.

mbroncano 9y ago
You can argue against the chosen font type, and it'd be still irrelevant. Most educated adults are able to read sentences longer than a few words. For the rest, trust your representatives.
- deleted 9y ago
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- raugustinus 9y ago
  It's not about people being able to read it. It's about trying to be intellectual. Long sentences are usually prone to interpretation. There is no value in making sentences this long. But that's just my opinion.