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I guess we disagree on fundamental principals. Governments require humans to exist. Humans do not require governments to exist. Rights exist for humans regardle

• scarmig 9y ago
  Right. Conditions of anarchy where security isn't guaranteed have a tendency toward massive violations of rights. Both of "property" rights and "human" rights.
• vilmosi 9y ago
  >>> Rights exist for humans regardless of whether or not they are being governed I don't know, I mean rights as we know it didn't exist until relatively recently when they were recognised and enforced by governments. I don't see how "free speech" can exist without something protecting that right. Yes, I know, technically the person shutting you up is technically violating your right. But without an objective arbiter such as society, they were just exercising their right to shut you up, which, in their view, is their god given right, who's to say.