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I think the difference is that you have a right to procure food and a right to create your own shelter. You don't have a right that requires someone to give you
by lolsal 9y ago
I think the difference is that you have a right to procure food and a right to create your own shelter. You don't have a right that requires someone to give you food or give you shelter.
- scarmig 9y agoYou don't have a right as an individual to force another individual to give you material goods. You do have a right to food, shelter, and physical security, and if you don't have those, then yes, your rights are being violated and the government is failing in it's responsibilities.
- lolsal 9y agoI guess we disagree on fundamental principals. Governments require humans to exist. Humans do not require governments to exist. Rights exist for humans regardless of whether or not they are being governed (or in spite of being governed!).
- scarmig 9y agoRight. Conditions of anarchy where security isn't guaranteed have a tendency toward massive violations of rights. Both of "property" rights and "human" rights.
- vilmosi 9y ago>>> Rights exist for humans regardless of whether or not they are being governed I don't know, I mean rights as we know it didn't exist until relatively recently when they were recognised and enforced by governments. I don't see how "free speech" can exist without something protecting that right. Yes, I know, technically the person shutting you up is technically violating your right. But without an objective arbiter such as society, they were just exercising their right to shut you up, which, in their view, is their god given right, who's to say.