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The oversupply problem is one that doesn't seem to be going away ay time soon, especially in the pure sciences. From my anecdotal evidence, it seems to be harde

The oversupply problem is one that doesn't seem to be going away ay time soon, especially in the pure sciences. From my anecdotal evidence, it seems to be harder and harder to get into academia or cross into industry each year. I have multiple bio and chemistry PhD friends who have been either stuck in limbo at a postdoc position or who have left the field in frustration. I wonder if it will correct over time, or if the glut or PhD's will continue to grow.

sage76 9y ago
Is it the same in CS as far as industry positions are concerned?
- altotrees 9y ago
  Not from what I have read or heard. There still seems to be a need across the board for those with deep knowledge, especially when it comes to certain topics. The people I have known who have had trouble, and studies I have read about the topic point mainly to biology and chemistry as the two hardest fields to break initially with a PhD. But of course even that could change depending on specialization, etc.
  - sage76 9y ago
    Among those doctoral graduates who went to North American industry and for whom the type of industry position was known, about 60 percent took research positions . source : http://cra.org/crn/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/05/2016-Taulbee-Survey.pdf http://cra.org/crn/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/05/2016-T... Is 60% pretty high compared to other fields?
- neuromantik8086 9y ago
  CS and Econ PhD programs both benefit from an extreme amount of cross-pollination between academia and industry. The ability to jump ship from the academy isn't nearly as large of an issue as it is in the sciences (with the exception of physics perhaps). The humanities are mostly screwed. Source (for econ at least; CS is anecdotal): http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2013/05/if-you-get-phd-get-economics-phd.html http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2013/05/if-you-get-phd-ge...
neuromantik8086 9y ago
Meanwhile, there's been a trend of major corporations closing their R&D facilities because they aren't as sexy on the quarterly balance sheets, which clearly isn't making things better.

sage76 9y ago

Is it the same in CS as far as industry positions are concerned?

altotrees 9y ago
Not from what I have read or heard. There still seems to be a need across the board for those with deep knowledge, especially when it comes to certain topics. The people I have known who have had trouble, and studies I have read about the topic point mainly to biology and chemistry as the two hardest fields to break initially with a PhD. But of course even that could change depending on specialization, etc.
- sage76 9y ago
  Among those doctoral graduates who went to North American industry and for whom the type of industry position was known, about 60 percent took research positions . source : http://cra.org/crn/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/05/2016-Taulbee-Survey.pdf http://cra.org/crn/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/05/2016-T... Is 60% pretty high compared to other fields?
neuromantik8086 9y ago
CS and Econ PhD programs both benefit from an extreme amount of cross-pollination between academia and industry. The ability to jump ship from the academy isn't nearly as large of an issue as it is in the sciences (with the exception of physics perhaps). The humanities are mostly screwed. Source (for econ at least; CS is anecdotal): http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2013/05/if-you-get-phd-get-economics-phd.html http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2013/05/if-you-get-phd-ge...

neuromantik8086 9y ago

Meanwhile, there's been a trend of major corporations closing their R&D facilities because they aren't as sexy on the quarterly balance sheets, which clearly isn't making things better.