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> stop having babies Most of the west has already drastically reduced the number of babies. All that happened is we were told we need immigration instead.

mercurysmessage 9y ago
I don't know why you insist on spreading this ignorance all over HN, this really isn't the place for your rhetoric.
- DarkKomunalec 9y ago
  Ignorance? Well, please point out where I made an error - I'd be happy to correct it.
  - mercurysmessage 9y ago
    > All that happened is we were told we need immigration instead. You say this everywhere, we discussed this already. You have an unfounded, ignorant view of immigration. You are so locked into your position that it doesn't matter what you are shown, you will ignore it and instead fall back to your ignorant position. And please, tell me why a tech news aggregator is the place for ignorant anti-immigration rhetoric?
    - DarkKomunalec 9y ago
      So the error is... where? If you think I am beyond saving, at least point it out for the sake of any not-yet-lost souls reading.
      - mercurysmessage 9y ago
        What is wrong with immigration? What do you have against people looking to move to new countries. When someone moves, they pay taxes, they work, they contribute to society. It's not easy to immigrate, and often smarter, better educated people are the ones who get to immigrate. It's a benefit for the country that gets a lot of immigrants (i.e. The US benefits from this a lot), and a detriment to the country that loses them. Often called brain drain. Employers can choose who to hire, a smart employer won't care if the candidate is born in the same country as you, it has absolutely no bearing on their quality as a human, or the work they complete. If you live in North America, aside from the aboriginals, everyone is descended from, or directly an immigrant. What makes you so much better than someone else looking to move? Again, a tech news aggregator is not a place for ignorant opinions on, frankly, humans. You also haven't answered why you feel this way.
        reitanqild 9y ago
        What is wrong with immigration? Aren't you are attacking him for something he didn't say here?
        mercurysmessage 9y ago
        Why are you defending this person so much here? > All that happened is we were told we need immigration instead What do you infer from this? It's pretty obvious. This isn't the first time I've ran into this person.
        reitanqild 9y ago
        Why are you defending this person so much here? Because it seems you don’t even care to read before you attack. As I mentioned before the facts are correct at least where I live. The conclusions you can draw aren't necessarily correct. But I think it would be correct to say that reducing the number of "native" westerners wouldn't help if they were replaced by an equal amount of other people with the same level of consumption.
        mercurysmessage 9y ago
        I have read this persons comments. The facts are also that it is hard to migrate, and that immigrants normally have to be highly educated. By "native" you don't mean aboriginal, do you? At the end of the day we are all just people, and it really shouldn't matter to any of us where they were born as long as they are moral and respect laws.
        dang 9y ago
        Please don't engage in flamewars on Hacker News, please don't uncivilly attack others, and please don't use HN for political or ideological battle: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We ban accounts that do this repeatedly, and yours has. Moreover we've warned you before.
        9y ago
- reitanqild 9y ago
  Actually the following facts are true: - western families have fewer kids - some politicians - at least in some countries in the West - tells people we need immigration You might not like it and as usual correlation doesn't prove causation. That still doesn't give you the right to be uncivil here.
  - mercurysmessage 9y ago
    Uncivil? The uncivil one is the the one who spends most of his time on HN spouting ignorant anti-immigration rhetoric.
    - reitanqild 9y ago
      S/he was pointing out facts. And s/he did so without accusing anyone of being "unfounded, ignorant". And without accusing anyone of being "so locked into your position that it doesn't matter what you are shown, you will ignore it and instead fall back to your ignorant position." Was it anti-immigration? I guess so. Was it off topic? Possibly, I'll let the mods decide. But you are the one who bring the accusations.
      - mercurysmessage 9y ago
        An anti-immigrant stance is by definition unfounded and ignorant. I know s/he is locked in their position because of how often they bring it up in threads all over HN. It doesn't matter if I'm making an accusation. The other poster comments frequently on immigration on HN.
        reitanqild 9y ago
        An anti-immigrant stance is by definition unfounded and ignorant. This is plain wrong (edit: as can be proved by looking up the definitions.) If you said racist, then I would agree. But there are a number of good reasons to be sceptical to certain kinds of large scale migrations. Edit: I know s/he is locked in their position because of how often they bring it up in threads all over HN. You have just admitted to the same in this very thread. It doesn't matter if I'm making an accusation. The other poster comments frequently on immigration on HN. Commenting on immigration is not a crime. If you think a comment is somehow against the guidelines then flag it: the mods here are pretty fair (and can flame people way better than anyone of us).
- dang 9y ago
  You violated the HN guidelines badly by perpetuating this hellish and tedious flamewar. Please don't do that again. Moreover, your comment history has many cases of being uncivil to others, as well as using HN for political battle. We ban accounts that do these things, so would you please stop doing them? They destroy the things that this site is supposed to be for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - mercurysmessage 9y ago
    Sure thing, sorry. Just see a lot of things which probably shouldn't be here, but I suppose I should just flag and move on.
dang 9y ago
We've banned this account. Using HN primarily for political or ideological battle is an abuse of HN and we ban accounts that do this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- DarkKomunalec 9y ago
  > political or ideological battle Is that what pointing out taboo facts is? P.S.: I've participated in a lot of political discussion on HN - topics including anti-trust, surveillance, patents and copyright, worker's rights, corporate corruption of science, law-enforcement overreach, etc. - and only immigration got me a warning and a ban. Perhaps you could lighten your mod load by updating the guidelines :)

mercurysmessage 9y ago

I don't know why you insist on spreading this ignorance all over HN, this really isn't the place for your rhetoric.

DarkKomunalec 9y ago
Ignorance? Well, please point out where I made an error - I'd be happy to correct it.
- mercurysmessage 9y ago
  > All that happened is we were told we need immigration instead. You say this everywhere, we discussed this already. You have an unfounded, ignorant view of immigration. You are so locked into your position that it doesn't matter what you are shown, you will ignore it and instead fall back to your ignorant position. And please, tell me why a tech news aggregator is the place for ignorant anti-immigration rhetoric?
  - DarkKomunalec 9y ago
    So the error is... where? If you think I am beyond saving, at least point it out for the sake of any not-yet-lost souls reading.
    - mercurysmessage 9y ago
      What is wrong with immigration? What do you have against people looking to move to new countries. When someone moves, they pay taxes, they work, they contribute to society. It's not easy to immigrate, and often smarter, better educated people are the ones who get to immigrate. It's a benefit for the country that gets a lot of immigrants (i.e. The US benefits from this a lot), and a detriment to the country that loses them. Often called brain drain. Employers can choose who to hire, a smart employer won't care if the candidate is born in the same country as you, it has absolutely no bearing on their quality as a human, or the work they complete. If you live in North America, aside from the aboriginals, everyone is descended from, or directly an immigrant. What makes you so much better than someone else looking to move? Again, a tech news aggregator is not a place for ignorant opinions on, frankly, humans. You also haven't answered why you feel this way.
      - reitanqild 9y ago
        What is wrong with immigration? Aren't you are attacking him for something he didn't say here?
        mercurysmessage 9y ago
        Why are you defending this person so much here? > All that happened is we were told we need immigration instead What do you infer from this? It's pretty obvious. This isn't the first time I've ran into this person.
        reitanqild 9y ago
        Why are you defending this person so much here? Because it seems you don’t even care to read before you attack. As I mentioned before the facts are correct at least where I live. The conclusions you can draw aren't necessarily correct. But I think it would be correct to say that reducing the number of "native" westerners wouldn't help if they were replaced by an equal amount of other people with the same level of consumption.
        mercurysmessage 9y ago
        I have read this persons comments. The facts are also that it is hard to migrate, and that immigrants normally have to be highly educated. By "native" you don't mean aboriginal, do you? At the end of the day we are all just people, and it really shouldn't matter to any of us where they were born as long as they are moral and respect laws.
        dang 9y ago
        Please don't engage in flamewars on Hacker News, please don't uncivilly attack others, and please don't use HN for political or ideological battle: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We ban accounts that do this repeatedly, and yours has. Moreover we've warned you before.
      - 9y ago
reitanqild 9y ago
Actually the following facts are true: - western families have fewer kids - some politicians - at least in some countries in the West - tells people we need immigration You might not like it and as usual correlation doesn't prove causation. That still doesn't give you the right to be uncivil here.
- mercurysmessage 9y ago
  Uncivil? The uncivil one is the the one who spends most of his time on HN spouting ignorant anti-immigration rhetoric.
  - reitanqild 9y ago
    S/he was pointing out facts. And s/he did so without accusing anyone of being "unfounded, ignorant". And without accusing anyone of being "so locked into your position that it doesn't matter what you are shown, you will ignore it and instead fall back to your ignorant position." Was it anti-immigration? I guess so. Was it off topic? Possibly, I'll let the mods decide. But you are the one who bring the accusations.
    - mercurysmessage 9y ago
      An anti-immigrant stance is by definition unfounded and ignorant. I know s/he is locked in their position because of how often they bring it up in threads all over HN. It doesn't matter if I'm making an accusation. The other poster comments frequently on immigration on HN.
      - reitanqild 9y ago
        An anti-immigrant stance is by definition unfounded and ignorant. This is plain wrong (edit: as can be proved by looking up the definitions.) If you said racist, then I would agree. But there are a number of good reasons to be sceptical to certain kinds of large scale migrations. Edit: I know s/he is locked in their position because of how often they bring it up in threads all over HN. You have just admitted to the same in this very thread. It doesn't matter if I'm making an accusation. The other poster comments frequently on immigration on HN. Commenting on immigration is not a crime. If you think a comment is somehow against the guidelines then flag it: the mods here are pretty fair (and can flame people way better than anyone of us).
dang 9y ago
You violated the HN guidelines badly by perpetuating this hellish and tedious flamewar. Please don't do that again. Moreover, your comment history has many cases of being uncivil to others, as well as using HN for political battle. We ban accounts that do these things, so would you please stop doing them? They destroy the things that this site is supposed to be for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- mercurysmessage 9y ago
  Sure thing, sorry. Just see a lot of things which probably shouldn't be here, but I suppose I should just flag and move on.

dang 9y ago

We've banned this account. Using HN primarily for political or ideological battle is an abuse of HN and we ban accounts that do this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

DarkKomunalec 9y ago
> political or ideological battle Is that what pointing out taboo facts is? P.S.: I've participated in a lot of political discussion on HN - topics including anti-trust, surveillance, patents and copyright, worker's rights, corporate corruption of science, law-enforcement overreach, etc. - and only immigration got me a warning and a ban. Perhaps you could lighten your mod load by updating the guidelines :)