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> You seem to be doing that yourself here. Your description of college does not correspond to my personal experience. First, the crucial difference is that, un

> You seem to be doing that yourself here. Your description of college does not correspond to my personal experience. First, the crucial difference is that, unlike him, nowhere was I drawing any conclusion based on that statement. Second, your argument is unsound, and a strawman. Obviously some fraction of people will come away failing to learn {any given topic}. My statement was a general ("general" != 100.00%) truth I'd observed based on what I've seen others take away from college, not just myself. So if you're really going to argue this point, you need to claim that most people you've seen, at least, have left college believing that most other people are, in fact, like themselves. Would you actually claim that though?

yorwba 9y ago
> Second, your argument is unsound, and a strawman. Can you point me to the logic errors in my post, and where I set up a weak counter-point just to refute it? I would like to avoid these mistakes in the future. > you need to claim that most people you've seen (at least) have left college believing that most people are, in fact, like themselves. Would you actually claim that though? I do not need to claim such a thing, I am claiming the opposite: most people should already have realized that most other people aren't like themselves, even before they go to college. If they haven't, I don't think that college will make them realize it faster than the average other path they could take.
- throwaway613834 9y ago
  > Can you point me to the logic errors in my post I literally did in the sentences that followed.
  - yorwba 9y ago
    In the sentences that follow, you address a point I didn't intend to make, so at best you show that I didn't express myself clearly. Even if I had made that point, you are not exactly pointing out where I made a logic error to arrive at it. So that doesn't help me find it, and I still don't know where the strawman is.

yorwba 9y ago

> Second, your argument is unsound, and a strawman. Can you point me to the logic errors in my post, and where I set up a weak counter-point just to refute it? I would like to avoid these mistakes in the future. > you need to claim that most people you've seen (at least) have left college believing that most people are, in fact, like themselves. Would you actually claim that though? I do not need to claim such a thing, I am claiming the opposite: most people should already have realized that most other people aren't like themselves, even before they go to college. If they haven't, I don't think that college will make them realize it faster than the average other path they could take.

throwaway613834 9y ago
> Can you point me to the logic errors in my post I literally did in the sentences that followed.
- yorwba 9y ago
  In the sentences that follow, you address a point I didn't intend to make, so at best you show that I didn't express myself clearly. Even if I had made that point, you are not exactly pointing out where I made a logic error to arrive at it. So that doesn't help me find it, and I still don't know where the strawman is.