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Your numbers are incorrect, iOS market share is around 22% in the EU5 (GB, DE, FR, IT, ES) according to https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/global/News/iOS-and-And

Your numbers are incorrect, iOS market share is around 22% in the EU5 (GB, DE, FR, IT, ES) according to https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/global/News/iOS-and-Android-push-towards-a-Two-OS-world https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/global/News/iOS-and-Android.... And according to https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/global/smartphone-os-market-share/ https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/global/smartphone-os-market... Windows Phone's market share (as opposed to device sales) in the US peaked at 5.6% in 2013. That's a factor of 4. You may not like iOS, and there's nothing wrong with not considering a platform for ideological reasons, but it's not irrelevant. Also, a used Mac Mini isn't $3000.

kuschku 9y ago
My numbers are those the EU Antitrust committee recently published. Below 15% was the number they used as argument for why Android is a monopoly. > Also, a used Mac Mini isn't $3000. A Mac Mini that’s still under warranty, and an iPhone, and some years of Apple Developer fees, are.
- lorenzhs 9y ago
  A new mac Mini with 8GB RAM is 819€ in Germany. A new iPhone 7 32GB is 759€. That's 1578€, or $1880. Add a one-year developer subscription and you're still below $2000. Your claim is just plain wrong.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    The developer subscription isn’t just 99$. You need to pay with a credit card, the cheapest credit card available in Germany has an annual fee of 39.99€, unless you move > $1300 a year via a CC. (I don’t have a CC, neither do 90.1% of Germans) So, you have $150 annual fee just for the developer account. Plus an additional massive cost every I time I need to replace the device. The starting costs are significantly higher; maybe not 3k, maybe just 2k, but that’s the same anyway: Completely unaffordable. And running costs are massively worse, too.
    - lorenzhs 9y ago
      Oh quit the nonsense! I'm paying nowhere near 40€ for my credit card in Germany (and have no minimum transfer volume requirement). Also, ⅓ of Germans have a credit card: https://www.bundesbank.de/Redaktion/DE/Pressemitteilungen/BBK/2015/2015_03_19_studie.html https://www.bundesbank.de/Redaktion/DE/Pressemitteilungen/BB..., and it's not like this is the only occasion where one might be useful. Not to mention that all that gives you the ability to, you know, sell apps on the App Store and recoup your expenses. $2000 is a very reasonable entry price for something you could be making your living with. It's expensive for a hobby, granted, but it's not like the stuff you buy is single-purpose. And it keeps resale value amazingly well. You can really stop it with the made-up numbers now. This is ridiculous.
      - kuschku 9y ago
        > but it's not like the stuff you buy is single-purpose For what I am doing, it literally is. > $2000 is a very reasonable entry price for something you could be making your living with. For a student that has 50€ left each month after rent, food, etc, $2000 is quite a fucking bunch of money. > Oh quit the nonsense! I'm paying nowhere near 40€ for my credit card in Germany Which bank? A credit card without being required to be linked to an account with a certain monthly or annual transfer? > Not to mention that all that gives you the ability to, you know, sell apps on the App Store and recoup your expenses. Which is so useful when the whole goal is to port existing GPL'd open source apps for my projects to iOS, and provide them for free.
    - germanier 9y ago
      > the cheapest credit card available in Germany has an annual fee of 39.99€, unless you move > $1300 a year via a CC Only if you ignore the free credit cards that are independent of a current account from Advanzia, Santander Consumer, Barclaycard, Hanseatic, Payback, Targobank, ICS, and some I forgot. Then there are also a lot of unconditionally free current accounts that offer a card (credit or debit) that can be used to pay that subscription, such as those from DKB, Comdirect, ING-Diba, Consorsbank, Wüstenrot, Norisbank, Fidor, N26, and so on. Those offers are not hard to find, some of them are available for over a decade or more now. Even pretty much every consumer bank you can name in Germany has such a card on offer for less than 40€ yearly. That includes small cooperative banks. If yours does not you should consider switching (or opening a second account), competition is fierce.

kuschku 9y ago

My numbers are those the EU Antitrust committee recently published. Below 15% was the number they used as argument for why Android is a monopoly. > Also, a used Mac Mini isn't $3000. A Mac Mini that’s still under warranty, and an iPhone, and some years of Apple Developer fees, are.

lorenzhs 9y ago
A new mac Mini with 8GB RAM is 819€ in Germany. A new iPhone 7 32GB is 759€. That's 1578€, or $1880. Add a one-year developer subscription and you're still below $2000. Your claim is just plain wrong.
- kuschku 9y ago
  The developer subscription isn’t just 99$. You need to pay with a credit card, the cheapest credit card available in Germany has an annual fee of 39.99€, unless you move > $1300 a year via a CC. (I don’t have a CC, neither do 90.1% of Germans) So, you have $150 annual fee just for the developer account. Plus an additional massive cost every I time I need to replace the device. The starting costs are significantly higher; maybe not 3k, maybe just 2k, but that’s the same anyway: Completely unaffordable. And running costs are massively worse, too.
  - lorenzhs 9y ago
    Oh quit the nonsense! I'm paying nowhere near 40€ for my credit card in Germany (and have no minimum transfer volume requirement). Also, ⅓ of Germans have a credit card: https://www.bundesbank.de/Redaktion/DE/Pressemitteilungen/BBK/2015/2015_03_19_studie.html https://www.bundesbank.de/Redaktion/DE/Pressemitteilungen/BB..., and it's not like this is the only occasion where one might be useful. Not to mention that all that gives you the ability to, you know, sell apps on the App Store and recoup your expenses. $2000 is a very reasonable entry price for something you could be making your living with. It's expensive for a hobby, granted, but it's not like the stuff you buy is single-purpose. And it keeps resale value amazingly well. You can really stop it with the made-up numbers now. This is ridiculous.
    - kuschku 9y ago
      > but it's not like the stuff you buy is single-purpose For what I am doing, it literally is. > $2000 is a very reasonable entry price for something you could be making your living with. For a student that has 50€ left each month after rent, food, etc, $2000 is quite a fucking bunch of money. > Oh quit the nonsense! I'm paying nowhere near 40€ for my credit card in Germany Which bank? A credit card without being required to be linked to an account with a certain monthly or annual transfer? > Not to mention that all that gives you the ability to, you know, sell apps on the App Store and recoup your expenses. Which is so useful when the whole goal is to port existing GPL'd open source apps for my projects to iOS, and provide them for free.
  - germanier 9y ago
    > the cheapest credit card available in Germany has an annual fee of 39.99€, unless you move > $1300 a year via a CC Only if you ignore the free credit cards that are independent of a current account from Advanzia, Santander Consumer, Barclaycard, Hanseatic, Payback, Targobank, ICS, and some I forgot. Then there are also a lot of unconditionally free current accounts that offer a card (credit or debit) that can be used to pay that subscription, such as those from DKB, Comdirect, ING-Diba, Consorsbank, Wüstenrot, Norisbank, Fidor, N26, and so on. Those offers are not hard to find, some of them are available for over a decade or more now. Even pretty much every consumer bank you can name in Germany has such a card on offer for less than 40€ yearly. That includes small cooperative banks. If yours does not you should consider switching (or opening a second account), competition is fierce.