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Can't speak for the GP, but I always switch to HERE Maps when I visit Leipzig, the transit info is way better for routing. HERE is pretty good throughout German

by socksy 9y ago

Can't speak for the GP, but I always switch to HERE Maps when I visit Leipzig, the transit info is way better for routing. HERE is pretty good throughout Germany too.

DocTomoe 9y ago
Hm, I happen to live in Germany. I have yet to see a map that's years out of sync with reality from GMaps... and I don't use much public transit anymore (mostly because I lack that kind of patience). It is my understanding that public transit information has to be offered by the respective Transit Authority, and that does not currently happen with GMaps. Chances are Here is paying top coin for that. When doing a search on "My Location -> Leipzig HBf", I get oneidentical street routing (google taking construction sites into consideration when calculating the driving duration). Google gives me an alternative strreet route, Here doesn't. Google suggests I can drive to the nearest airport and fly over there (making the trip 3 hours shorter) - and gives me the estimated fare. Here gives me the information about using the train (making the trip two hours longer) - without giving me the fare. As of now, I do not see an advantage... can you give a more specific example?
- socksy 9y ago
  Well, I do use public transport (indeed, living in a city it can often be the fastest mode), and I couldn't care less as the end user whether someone paid for the transport data... I want to get from A to B. So here's a concrete route that made me switch app: https://www.google.de/maps/dir/Leipzig+Hbf,+Willy-Brandt-Platz,+Leipzig/Altlindenau,+Leipzig/@51.3505434,12.3271499,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x47a6f82281a723cb:0x9601d070d5bfcdc7!2m2!1d12.3815755!2d51.3454725!1m5!1m1!1s0x47a6f7a4fc9a2d13:0xb28e1cc9d2a9af04!2m2!1d12.3354318!2d51.3413425!3e3 https://www.google.de/maps/dir/Leipzig+Hbf,+Willy-Brandt-Pla... vs. https://wego.here.com/directions/publicTransport/Hauptbahnhof-Leipzig,-Willy-Brandt-Platz-5,-Zentrum,-04109-Leipzig:276u30u1-da1a4aa7b0c54187844a4ce7c7e641ba/Altlindenau:loc-dmVyc2lvbj0xO3RpdGxlPUFsdGxpbmRlbmF1O2xhbmc9ZGU7bGF0PTUxLjMzODA2O2xvbj0xMi4zMjU4MztjaXR5PUxlaXB6aWc7Y291bnRyeT1ERVU7ZGlzdHJpY3Q9QWx0bGluZGVuYXU7c3RhdGU9U2F4b255O2NvdW50eT1MZWlwemlnKyUyOFN0YWR0JTI5O2NhdGVnb3J5SWQ9Y2l0eS10b3duLXZpbGxhZ2U7c291cmNlU3lzdGVtPWludGVybmFs?map=51.34064,12.35327,14,grey https://wego.here.com/directions/publicTransport/Hauptbahnho...
  - DocTomoe 9y ago
    Just out of curiosity ... how often do you look up transit routes via a third-party map service instead of the Transit Authority's website?
    - kuschku 9y ago
      I actually look up everything either via HERE, or via Öffi – because I can get comparison between Walk/Bike/Transit that way, and choose the fastest one (taking waiting time into account).
- kuschku 9y ago
  Check out Kiel, Germany. Neubaugebiet Suchsdorf an der Au. Google Maps has the data from 2011 on their maps, missing entire streets that have been added since. At least they have 2011 maps now, before 2014 their maps were from 2004. The entire district was missing. They did update satellite imagery in early 2017, finally, before that it had been un-updated since 2005. > It is my understanding that public transit information has to be offered by the respective Transit Authority, and that does not currently happen with GMaps. Chances are Here is paying top coin for that. Actually, all that data is publicly available online, and the transit authority has a public REST API. Just not in the format Google demands.
  - DocTomoe 9y ago
    > Google Maps has the data from 2011 on their maps, missing entire streets that have been added since. I assume that's the one north-east of the city center (Google wants to send me to Ottendorf first). Hm, comparing Google Maps to Here maps, the two look pretty identical - here maps has a few more footpaths. Openstreetmap seems to agree. > Actually, all that data is publicly available online, and the transit authority has a public REST API. Just not in the format Google demands. Yeah, I wish. This is a highly shattered provider landscape, some provide no data at all (HNV), some provide some data (MVV), some provide data in an usable format against cash (Bahn after a certain, very low limit) ... some of it is real-time while other is "probably as good as a guess".
    - kuschku 9y ago
      > I assume that's the one north-east of the city center (Google wants to send me to Ottendorf first). Hm, comparing Google Maps to Here maps, the two look pretty identical - here maps has a few more footpaths. Openstreetmap seems to agree. A very important part there is a tiny change where a major road was closed off, and due to the Google Maps fault, hundreds of people, including police, and money transporters, got stuck there over the years. Thanks to a lot of complaints, that tiny part got finally fixed last year, but the missing roads around that are still unchanged.

by socksy 9y ago

Can't speak for the GP, but I always switch to HERE Maps when I visit Leipzig, the transit info is way better for routing. HERE is pretty good throughout Germany too.

DocTomoe 9y ago

Hm, I happen to live in Germany. I have yet to see a map that's years out of sync with reality from GMaps... and I don't use much public transit anymore (mostly because I lack that kind of patience). It is my understanding that public transit information has to be offered by the respective Transit Authority, and that does not currently happen with GMaps. Chances are Here is paying top coin for that. When doing a search on "My Location -> Leipzig HBf", I get oneidentical street routing (google taking construction sites into consideration when calculating the driving duration). Google gives me an alternative strreet route, Here doesn't. Google suggests I can drive to the nearest airport and fly over there (making the trip 3 hours shorter) - and gives me the estimated fare. Here gives me the information about using the train (making the trip two hours longer) - without giving me the fare. As of now, I do not see an advantage... can you give a more specific example?

socksy 9y ago
Well, I do use public transport (indeed, living in a city it can often be the fastest mode), and I couldn't care less as the end user whether someone paid for the transport data... I want to get from A to B. So here's a concrete route that made me switch app: https://www.google.de/maps/dir/Leipzig+Hbf,+Willy-Brandt-Platz,+Leipzig/Altlindenau,+Leipzig/@51.3505434,12.3271499,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x47a6f82281a723cb:0x9601d070d5bfcdc7!2m2!1d12.3815755!2d51.3454725!1m5!1m1!1s0x47a6f7a4fc9a2d13:0xb28e1cc9d2a9af04!2m2!1d12.3354318!2d51.3413425!3e3 https://www.google.de/maps/dir/Leipzig+Hbf,+Willy-Brandt-Pla... vs. https://wego.here.com/directions/publicTransport/Hauptbahnhof-Leipzig,-Willy-Brandt-Platz-5,-Zentrum,-04109-Leipzig:276u30u1-da1a4aa7b0c54187844a4ce7c7e641ba/Altlindenau:loc-dmVyc2lvbj0xO3RpdGxlPUFsdGxpbmRlbmF1O2xhbmc9ZGU7bGF0PTUxLjMzODA2O2xvbj0xMi4zMjU4MztjaXR5PUxlaXB6aWc7Y291bnRyeT1ERVU7ZGlzdHJpY3Q9QWx0bGluZGVuYXU7c3RhdGU9U2F4b255O2NvdW50eT1MZWlwemlnKyUyOFN0YWR0JTI5O2NhdGVnb3J5SWQ9Y2l0eS10b3duLXZpbGxhZ2U7c291cmNlU3lzdGVtPWludGVybmFs?map=51.34064,12.35327,14,grey https://wego.here.com/directions/publicTransport/Hauptbahnho...
- DocTomoe 9y ago
  Just out of curiosity ... how often do you look up transit routes via a third-party map service instead of the Transit Authority's website?
  - kuschku 9y ago
    I actually look up everything either via HERE, or via Öffi – because I can get comparison between Walk/Bike/Transit that way, and choose the fastest one (taking waiting time into account).
kuschku 9y ago
Check out Kiel, Germany. Neubaugebiet Suchsdorf an der Au. Google Maps has the data from 2011 on their maps, missing entire streets that have been added since. At least they have 2011 maps now, before 2014 their maps were from 2004. The entire district was missing. They did update satellite imagery in early 2017, finally, before that it had been un-updated since 2005. > It is my understanding that public transit information has to be offered by the respective Transit Authority, and that does not currently happen with GMaps. Chances are Here is paying top coin for that. Actually, all that data is publicly available online, and the transit authority has a public REST API. Just not in the format Google demands.
- DocTomoe 9y ago
  > Google Maps has the data from 2011 on their maps, missing entire streets that have been added since. I assume that's the one north-east of the city center (Google wants to send me to Ottendorf first). Hm, comparing Google Maps to Here maps, the two look pretty identical - here maps has a few more footpaths. Openstreetmap seems to agree. > Actually, all that data is publicly available online, and the transit authority has a public REST API. Just not in the format Google demands. Yeah, I wish. This is a highly shattered provider landscape, some provide no data at all (HNV), some provide some data (MVV), some provide data in an usable format against cash (Bahn after a certain, very low limit) ... some of it is real-time while other is "probably as good as a guess".
  - kuschku 9y ago
    > I assume that's the one north-east of the city center (Google wants to send me to Ottendorf first). Hm, comparing Google Maps to Here maps, the two look pretty identical - here maps has a few more footpaths. Openstreetmap seems to agree. A very important part there is a tiny change where a major road was closed off, and due to the Google Maps fault, hundreds of people, including police, and money transporters, got stuck there over the years. Thanks to a lot of complaints, that tiny part got finally fixed last year, but the missing roads around that are still unchanged.