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You are proving the point. Treating the audio well, not giving in to the loudness, has only correlation with 24/192 releases (if you say so), there is no causat

by aw3c2 9y ago

You are proving the point. Treating the audio well, not giving in to the loudness, has only correlation with 24/192 releases (if you say so), there is no causation.

Mediterraneo10 9y ago
Sure, there is no causation of "higher bitrate necessarily makes for better sound", but the correlation of "higher bitrate format just happens to have better mastering" is often strong enough to make these the go-to formats. There are a large number of classic recordings that are difficult to obtain in the digital era without harsh compression being applied to them, so the 24/192 or SACD release is the most convenient way of hearing them with decent dynamic range.
traviscj 9y ago
In other words, it is not a technical advantage, but a social/political one.
JohnBooty 9y ago
Right, absolutely. 16 bit samples give 100db+ of perceived dynamic range, more than would ever be needed. The other poster is not saying otherwise, though. They're just saying that "hi-def" formats, while technically unnecessary for end-user listening, are often the only way to obtain a decently-mastered recording. There's no technical reason for things to be that way. But that's how things are. It's sort of like buying a new car. You want the more powerful engine? Well then you also have to buy the package with heated seats, the moonroof, and the fog lights. There's no technical reason for it, but that's the only way they'll sell it to you.
- ladzoppelin 9y ago
  But there is a technical reason for them as the tools used to master/make music work better at the higher formats. Its not "superstition" its digital audio.
  - aw3c2 9y ago
    Yes, but this is about Music Downloads.
  - JohnBooty 9y ago
    Of course. That's why I specifically said "end-user listening." It's also what this entire discussion's about. Of course formats above 44.1/16 are useful for professional work; nobody's ever said otherwise. Just like graphics professionals work with high-res images and lossless formats even if the end product is a .jpg on a web page.

by aw3c2 9y ago

You are proving the point. Treating the audio well, not giving in to the loudness, has only correlation with 24/192 releases (if you say so), there is no causation.

Mediterraneo10 9y ago

Sure, there is no causation of "higher bitrate necessarily makes for better sound", but the correlation of "higher bitrate format just happens to have better mastering" is often strong enough to make these the go-to formats. There are a large number of classic recordings that are difficult to obtain in the digital era without harsh compression being applied to them, so the 24/192 or SACD release is the most convenient way of hearing them with decent dynamic range.

traviscj 9y ago

In other words, it is not a technical advantage, but a social/political one.

JohnBooty 9y ago

Right, absolutely. 16 bit samples give 100db+ of perceived dynamic range, more than would ever be needed. The other poster is not saying otherwise, though. They're just saying that "hi-def" formats, while technically unnecessary for end-user listening, are often the only way to obtain a decently-mastered recording. There's no technical reason for things to be that way. But that's how things are. It's sort of like buying a new car. You want the more powerful engine? Well then you also have to buy the package with heated seats, the moonroof, and the fog lights. There's no technical reason for it, but that's the only way they'll sell it to you.

ladzoppelin 9y ago
But there is a technical reason for them as the tools used to master/make music work better at the higher formats. Its not "superstition" its digital audio.
- aw3c2 9y ago
  Yes, but this is about Music Downloads.
- JohnBooty 9y ago
  Of course. That's why I specifically said "end-user listening." It's also what this entire discussion's about. Of course formats above 44.1/16 are useful for professional work; nobody's ever said otherwise. Just like graphics professionals work with high-res images and lossless formats even if the end product is a .jpg on a web page.