> So maybe being timid, shy, soft-spoken, and like traits should not be considered "feminine" in a biological sense. They should be considered traits that make

> So maybe being timid, shy, soft-spoken, and like traits should not be considered "feminine" in a biological sense. They should be considered traits that make you less likely to get what you want and much more likely to be taken advantage of. And those traits were included in the feminine construct of yesterday to make women easier to control. I quite like this discussion, but I'm not a fan of this point. "likely to get what you want" is a very combative way to look at the world. On the other hand, less forceful people work together well with others and cause less unnecessary conflict. I think humanity is more about cooperation and empathy than about domination and taking advantage of each other, at least in terms of what makes us stand out. It generally does seem that the "masculine" traits are considered "better", but I don't think that's a proven fact. Consider also that women acting more combative get a lot of push back.