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EU doesn't think Amazon.com is a monopoly. That's also why Apple has no problem bundling Safari in their OS.

by btian 9y ago

delecti 9y ago
It's also because Apple makes their devices. MS was mandating IE being included alongside Windows to other companies.
polishTar 9y ago
The crazy thing is that in product search (which is what the lawsuit was all about), they're even larger than Google.
s17n 9y ago
I don't think that the eu has considered the question of whether Amazon is a monopoly. Ironically this decision pretty much ensures that they will be, at least in the eu.
- Coding_Cat 9y ago
  This is not yet something to fear at all. If Amazon is even available in your part of Europe it tends to not be that great. There are plenty of online stores in Europe though.
  - toyg 9y ago
    I know the UK will soon not be "part of Europe", but Amazon is pretty great here. I know a few people in Italy who are over the moon about amazon.it as well. I don't know about other countries.
cdumler 9y ago
Apple has no problem with bundling Safari with the OS because: * Apple isn't close to being dominant as a platform. * Allows the default browser to be changed. * Hasn't demonstrated any evidence that they want to stop a competing browser. * Hasn't actively took measures to coerce users to Safari. Microsoft violated all of these.
- munchor 9y ago
  Note: Apple does not allow the default browser to be changed on iOS.
- icebraining 9y ago
  Hasn't demonstrated any evidence that they want to stop a competing browser. Eh, more or less. Forcing browsers to use Apple's engine prevents real competition. The things that made Chrome innovative, for example - multiprocess and V8 - wouldn't be possible on iOS.
- toyg 9y ago
  You are talking about desktop, but the problem is on mobile. On iOS, 3 of your 4 points are patently incorrect (there is plenty of evidence). They get away with it only because Apple is nowhere near dominant in terms of units sold, despite hoovering up almost all market profitability.
  - HatchedLake721 9y ago
    They’re NOT getting away because they’re nowhere near dominant. This doesn’t apply to them at all, because they don’t license iOS or make deals with manufacturers to push Safari as a default choice. Apple builds their own hardware, so they can ship whatever they want on it. Microsoft on the other hand, dictated hardware manufacturers what software should be installed on it.
    - ghaff 9y ago
      There have been cases where you can't tie products together if you're considered to have a dominant market position. See e.g. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/473/908/ https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/473/908/ In this case, a minicomputer manufacturer was deemed to be prohibited from refusing to sell an OS to a clone manufacturer. Long time ago and I suspect it would not go the same way today if Apple were to refuse to sell its OS to a clone maker. (And, yes, Hackintoshes etc. but they've never reached this level of the legal system.)
- 9y ago

EU doesn't think Amazon.com is a monopoly. That's also why Apple has no problem bundling Safari in their OS.

by btian 9y ago

EU doesn't think Amazon.com is a monopoly. That's also why Apple has no problem bundling Safari in their OS.

delecti 9y ago

It's also because Apple makes their devices. MS was mandating IE being included alongside Windows to other companies.

polishTar 9y ago

The crazy thing is that in product search (which is what the lawsuit was all about), they're even larger than Google.

s17n 9y ago

I don't think that the eu has considered the question of whether Amazon is a monopoly. Ironically this decision pretty much ensures that they will be, at least in the eu.

Coding_Cat 9y ago
This is not yet something to fear at all. If Amazon is even available in your part of Europe it tends to not be that great. There are plenty of online stores in Europe though.
- toyg 9y ago
  I know the UK will soon not be "part of Europe", but Amazon is pretty great here. I know a few people in Italy who are over the moon about amazon.it as well. I don't know about other countries.

cdumler 9y ago

Apple has no problem with bundling Safari with the OS because: * Apple isn't close to being dominant as a platform. * Allows the default browser to be changed. * Hasn't demonstrated any evidence that they want to stop a competing browser. * Hasn't actively took measures to coerce users to Safari. Microsoft violated all of these.

munchor 9y ago
Note: Apple does not allow the default browser to be changed on iOS.
icebraining 9y ago
Hasn't demonstrated any evidence that they want to stop a competing browser. Eh, more or less. Forcing browsers to use Apple's engine prevents real competition. The things that made Chrome innovative, for example - multiprocess and V8 - wouldn't be possible on iOS.
toyg 9y ago
You are talking about desktop, but the problem is on mobile. On iOS, 3 of your 4 points are patently incorrect (there is plenty of evidence). They get away with it only because Apple is nowhere near dominant in terms of units sold, despite hoovering up almost all market profitability.
- HatchedLake721 9y ago
  They’re NOT getting away because they’re nowhere near dominant. This doesn’t apply to them at all, because they don’t license iOS or make deals with manufacturers to push Safari as a default choice. Apple builds their own hardware, so they can ship whatever they want on it. Microsoft on the other hand, dictated hardware manufacturers what software should be installed on it.
  - ghaff 9y ago
    There have been cases where you can't tie products together if you're considered to have a dominant market position. See e.g. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/473/908/ https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/473/908/ In this case, a minicomputer manufacturer was deemed to be prohibited from refusing to sell an OS to a clone manufacturer. Long time ago and I suspect it would not go the same way today if Apple were to refuse to sell its OS to a clone maker. (And, yes, Hackintoshes etc. but they've never reached this level of the legal system.)
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