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"Fort Bend County Judge Robert Hebert stated that Hurricane Harvey is more like a 800-year event" 500 years, 800 years ... even 1000 years - none of those are

by rsync 9y ago

"Fort Bend County Judge Robert Hebert stated that Hurricane Harvey is more like a 800-year event" 500 years, 800 years ... even 1000 years - none of those are timetables that planning for city ^H^H^H^H region the size of Houston should be operating on. A city that large, that populous and with that much economic activity that is crucial to the world should be using risk models to 10k year events. This is not unprecedented - Holland's dykes are designed and built to withstand 10k year events: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/15/world/europe/climate-change-rotterdam.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/15/world/europe/...

Clubber 9y ago
Sounds like the city fell asleep at the wheel, or rolled the dice and didn't want to pay for proper drainage. Now the citizens get to pay. Sounds like the Judge is preparing the country for the fact that nothing will still be done about it.
- enraged_camel 9y ago
  The City of Houston, which votes Democrat, has actually done a reasonable job of upgrading its infrastructure over the years. For example all roads built/upgraded since the 90s are designed to act as drainage systems. The problem is that Houston is a big city and its population has been rising very quickly, and the city government's efforts have been insufficient. And since the Texas state government is dominated by gotta-keep-government-small-and-taxes-low Republicans, Houston has received almost no assistance from the state in this regard. We are seeing the results of that today.
- 21 9y ago
  There was an article from 2016 also on HN today about the risk. Three different experts were quoted saying something along the lines "nothing will be done now, we need to wait for the big flood and 2-4 years after we will build a wall". The "wall" (actually a more complex thing) was projected to cost 8 bil. A bad flood like the one from today was projected to cost 70+, but people were hoping that we have around 10-20 years to prepare
  - enraged_camel 9y ago
    Models actually showed a disaster of this scale as far back as 2005: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Models-show-massive-devastation-in-Houston-1950585.php http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Models-show-...
- matt4077 9y ago
  Coastal protections are under the purview of the Army Corps of Engineers, a federal institution, one of the most sclerotic of the government institutions, and one of the rare beasts that actually deserve the common cynicism with government action.
imnotlost 9y ago
Which American city, if any, plans for anything close to that time scale? Seems like every city, county, state, etc. screw up planning on less than human time scales - pensions and infrastructure maintenance for instance.
- maxerickson 9y ago
  It isn't planning for a time scale though, it is a level of immediate risk mitigation.

by rsync 9y ago

Clubber 9y ago

Sounds like the city fell asleep at the wheel, or rolled the dice and didn't want to pay for proper drainage. Now the citizens get to pay. Sounds like the Judge is preparing the country for the fact that nothing will still be done about it.

enraged_camel 9y ago
The City of Houston, which votes Democrat, has actually done a reasonable job of upgrading its infrastructure over the years. For example all roads built/upgraded since the 90s are designed to act as drainage systems. The problem is that Houston is a big city and its population has been rising very quickly, and the city government's efforts have been insufficient. And since the Texas state government is dominated by gotta-keep-government-small-and-taxes-low Republicans, Houston has received almost no assistance from the state in this regard. We are seeing the results of that today.
21 9y ago
There was an article from 2016 also on HN today about the risk. Three different experts were quoted saying something along the lines "nothing will be done now, we need to wait for the big flood and 2-4 years after we will build a wall". The "wall" (actually a more complex thing) was projected to cost 8 bil. A bad flood like the one from today was projected to cost 70+, but people were hoping that we have around 10-20 years to prepare
- enraged_camel 9y ago
  Models actually showed a disaster of this scale as far back as 2005: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Models-show-massive-devastation-in-Houston-1950585.php http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Models-show-...
matt4077 9y ago
Coastal protections are under the purview of the Army Corps of Engineers, a federal institution, one of the most sclerotic of the government institutions, and one of the rare beasts that actually deserve the common cynicism with government action.

imnotlost 9y ago

Which American city, if any, plans for anything close to that time scale? Seems like every city, county, state, etc. screw up planning on less than human time scales - pensions and infrastructure maintenance for instance.

maxerickson 9y ago
It isn't planning for a time scale though, it is a level of immediate risk mitigation.