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Sigh... this article presents a false dichotomy: you either eat a high fat diet, or you mostly eat refined carbs. Based on dozens of nutritionists I've talked

Sigh... this article presents a false dichotomy: you either eat a high fat diet, or you mostly eat refined carbs. Based on dozens of nutritionists I've talked to, focusing on macronutrients as the primary metric is not great. Personally, I look at these things before macros: is it plant-based, is it whole (not refined/processed).

hammock 9y ago
Your body has minimum protein (and types of protein, AKA essential aminos) and fat (and types of fat, essential fatty acids) requirements, or you will die. And that is not a clickbait headline. So hitting those macros are vital even if you are focusing on whole foods
- justin66 9y ago
  > Your body has minimum protein (and types of protein, AKA essential aminos) and fat (and types of fat, essential fatty acids) requirements, or you will die. And that is not a clickbait headline. Yeah it is. Well, it would be, if people ever talked about amino acids in headlines. People die of malnutrition, but good luck finding a population where people dying because they missed out on a specific amino acid is even remotely commonplace. Seriously, to whom does that happen?
  - hammock 9y ago
    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html https://mobile.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html Also, http://m.med-health.net/protein-deficiency-diseases.html http://m.med-health.net/protein-deficiency-diseases.html
    - justin66 9y ago
      These are extraordinary examples that amount to clickbait.
      - hammock 9y ago
        In addition to the American vegan baby who died in 2004 that I linked above, here are some more extraordinary examples. French vegan baby dead (2008) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/vegans-trial-death-baby-breast-milk https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/vegans-trial-d... Belgian vegan baby dead (2014) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40274493 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40274493 Italian vegan baby almost dies (2016) https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/4xkk3n/couple-lose-custody-of-malnourished-baby-after-feeding-him-vegan-diet https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/4xkk3n/couple-lose-cu... Another Italian vegan baby almost dies (2016) https://www.thelocal.it/20160629/two-year-old-in-serious-condition-after-being-raised-vegan https://www.thelocal.it/20160629/two-year-old-in-serious-con... Futhermore, malnutrition - divided into a)protein deficiency, which is the biggest component, and b)micronutrient deficiency - is globally the most important risk factor for illness and death. Over 19% of young children in India have a protein deficiency[1] and over 41% of young children in rural Nigeria[2]. It's obviously worse in undeveloped nations but check the dead babies above if you think it can't happen in the developed world too. [1]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4005205/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4005205/ [2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10768411 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10768411
        justin66 9y ago
        These are tragic instances of children being underfed or, in the case of the 'vegan babies,' being fed very, very stupidly. Babies should be breastfed and children should get enough to eat. I don't think any mainstream or even oddball medical or dietary understanding is being challenged here. (promulgating the myth that "complete proteins" are an important idea is still bothersome, but now I'm not sure that's what you were doing)
        hammock 9y ago
        Do you think someone can survive without getting "complete protein" (aka all essential amino acids)?
        9y ago
- sebleon 9y ago
  > Your body has minimum protein [macronutrient] requirements True, but counting macros isn't a practical framework for eating well. Empirically, the US obesity epidemic is not about people missing macronutrient goals; it comes from eating low-quality processed pseudo-foods.
  - hammock 9y ago
    I agree with you, but I'm suggesting hitting (for example) at least 50g complete protein and 50g fat as a requirement of whatever whole foods requirements you want to set. Going on a fruit- or juice-only diet for two weeks could be pretty painful otherwise.
    - sebleon 9y ago
      Yeah that's fair - making sure macros are not totally off makes sense.

hammock 9y ago

Your body has minimum protein (and types of protein, AKA essential aminos) and fat (and types of fat, essential fatty acids) requirements, or you will die. And that is not a clickbait headline. So hitting those macros are vital even if you are focusing on whole foods

justin66 9y ago
> Your body has minimum protein (and types of protein, AKA essential aminos) and fat (and types of fat, essential fatty acids) requirements, or you will die. And that is not a clickbait headline. Yeah it is. Well, it would be, if people ever talked about amino acids in headlines. People die of malnutrition, but good luck finding a population where people dying because they missed out on a specific amino acid is even remotely commonplace. Seriously, to whom does that happen?
- hammock 9y ago
  https://mobile.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html https://mobile.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html Also, http://m.med-health.net/protein-deficiency-diseases.html http://m.med-health.net/protein-deficiency-diseases.html
  - justin66 9y ago
    These are extraordinary examples that amount to clickbait.
    - hammock 9y ago
      In addition to the American vegan baby who died in 2004 that I linked above, here are some more extraordinary examples. French vegan baby dead (2008) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/vegans-trial-death-baby-breast-milk https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/vegans-trial-d... Belgian vegan baby dead (2014) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40274493 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40274493 Italian vegan baby almost dies (2016) https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/4xkk3n/couple-lose-custody-of-malnourished-baby-after-feeding-him-vegan-diet https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/4xkk3n/couple-lose-cu... Another Italian vegan baby almost dies (2016) https://www.thelocal.it/20160629/two-year-old-in-serious-condition-after-being-raised-vegan https://www.thelocal.it/20160629/two-year-old-in-serious-con... Futhermore, malnutrition - divided into a)protein deficiency, which is the biggest component, and b)micronutrient deficiency - is globally the most important risk factor for illness and death. Over 19% of young children in India have a protein deficiency[1] and over 41% of young children in rural Nigeria[2]. It's obviously worse in undeveloped nations but check the dead babies above if you think it can't happen in the developed world too. [1]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4005205/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4005205/ [2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10768411 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10768411
      - justin66 9y ago
        These are tragic instances of children being underfed or, in the case of the 'vegan babies,' being fed very, very stupidly. Babies should be breastfed and children should get enough to eat. I don't think any mainstream or even oddball medical or dietary understanding is being challenged here. (promulgating the myth that "complete proteins" are an important idea is still bothersome, but now I'm not sure that's what you were doing)
        hammock 9y ago
        Do you think someone can survive without getting "complete protein" (aka all essential amino acids)?
        9y ago
sebleon 9y ago
> Your body has minimum protein [macronutrient] requirements True, but counting macros isn't a practical framework for eating well. Empirically, the US obesity epidemic is not about people missing macronutrient goals; it comes from eating low-quality processed pseudo-foods.
- hammock 9y ago
  I agree with you, but I'm suggesting hitting (for example) at least 50g complete protein and 50g fat as a requirement of whatever whole foods requirements you want to set. Going on a fruit- or juice-only diet for two weeks could be pretty painful otherwise.
  - sebleon 9y ago
    Yeah that's fair - making sure macros are not totally off makes sense.