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> > Objectification is a very specific thing as regards sex. To objectify > > is to render less than human, to make something inanimate, lifeless. > > To ha

> > Objectification is a very specific thing as regards sex. To objectify > > is to render less than human, to make something inanimate, lifeless. > > To have a single task, to be used as a tool. > And when you want to just fuck, whether you are a man or woman or > anything else, that's exactly what you want. "Just wanting to fuck" is not objectification. I can want to fuck someone without dehumanizing them. Implying that "just wanting to fuck" is the same as objectification, for everyone, all the time, is really not healthy. > But somehow those that want to just fuck, and thus seek in the other > just that, are supposed to be made to feel guilty -- even if the > other doesn't mind I haven't mentioned guilt or shame at all. I think you're projecting something else into my comment. > That's the whole point. Porn is about pleasure. The > "chauvinistic male point of view" provides pleasure to the majority > (mainstream) of males. It's pleasurable to you. It's not so pleasurable to someone else if they become the subject of your objectification fantasy without agreeing to that. And it's not so pleasurable to large segments of society who then become targets of behaviors learned from watching only this kind of porn. ..... which is the entire point being addressed by the business mentioned at the top of the article. But anyway..... > Porn is not about expanding your mind and connecting with the Other > and the magic of the universe. It's also not about empowering etc > -- any more than cooking is about empowering eaters. This is your view and personal opinion. It doesn't apply to everyone else.

coldtea 9y ago
>It's pleasurable to you. It's not so pleasurable to someone else if they become the subject of your objectification fantasy without agreeing to that. Fantasies are personal. And if you mean the porn actors, they are paid and are into the whole thing (if they are not, that's of course another story). So what someone's fantasies are, is no business of anybody else -- and no one's agreement is required. >And it's not so pleasurable to large segments of society who then become targets of behaviors learned from watching only this kind of porn. Porn didn't exist when cavemen raped women. Besides, should we extend the same concern to video games, movies, literature, etc? How about we add violence to it? I, for one, wouldn't find it "pleasurable" to become target of behaviors someone learned in a street fighting video game or a FPS.

coldtea 9y ago

>It's pleasurable to you. It's not so pleasurable to someone else if they become the subject of your objectification fantasy without agreeing to that. Fantasies are personal. And if you mean the porn actors, they are paid and are into the whole thing (if they are not, that's of course another story). So what someone's fantasies are, is no business of anybody else -- and no one's agreement is required. >And it's not so pleasurable to large segments of society who then become targets of behaviors learned from watching only this kind of porn. Porn didn't exist when cavemen raped women. Besides, should we extend the same concern to video games, movies, literature, etc? How about we add violence to it? I, for one, wouldn't find it "pleasurable" to become target of behaviors someone learned in a street fighting video game or a FPS.