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There has been a huge increase in terrorism and crime, as well as massive drains on public resources. 99% of refugees aren't going to come to a first world nat

There has been a huge increase in terrorism and crime, as well as massive drains on public resources. 99% of refugees aren't going to come to a first world nation from their 3rd world war-torn nation and just "settle in and start being productive". Obviously a minority (Doctors, Lawyers if they can meet new/different standards) can contribute, but most of those people were in poverty and uneducated back home, and living in a totally different society -- so integration is pretty rough imo.

ricardobeat 9y ago
You might be surprised to find that you're completely wrong on this. Data from the UN and Germany shows that 80%+ of refugees have a university degree or secondary education. When war strikes, those with more resources are the ones able to escape and pay their way through to the EU. Of course this doesn't mean integration is any easier, but the reasons are not that simple.
- yorwba 9y ago
  Do you have a source for that figure? I agree that refugees who had the resources to make it to Europe would be relatively well off, but taking spouses and children into account, I would expect a much lower proportion with a degree.
  - alexknvl 9y ago
    The reuters article referenced below [1] claims that 58 percent [of adult refugees] had spent 10 years or more at school, and just under a third had attended university or a vocational school. Presumably, if you take children into account the figure will be even smaller. [1] - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-survey-idUSKBN13A22F https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-s...
- ForRealsies 9y ago
  Only 13 percent of recent refugees in Germany have found work: survey http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-survey-idUSKBN13A22F http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-su...
- jlebrech 9y ago
  you don't have a degree if you got rid of your passport, no matter how many years of education you had. and you shouldn't be allowed to use those credentials if you came illegally.
ageofwant 9y ago
Statistics show that refugee population increase has a smaller impact on crime and public resource drain than equivalent 'native' population increase. A group of 1000 refugees will have less criminals and put smaller burden on state resources than 1000 local citizens. Go figure, everything you thought you new about refugees are wrong. http://www.e-ir.info/2016/03/07/refugees-economic-burden-or-opportunity/ http://www.e-ir.info/2016/03/07/refugees-economic-burden-or-...
- alexknvl 9y ago
  The referenced article doesn't have any figures on crime. A news article from 2017 [1] claims the opposite (refugees commit disproportionately more crime), but adds that just 1 per cent of migrants account for 40 per cent of migrant crimes. [2] has a lot more detailed stats and supports the claim that there are disproportionate increases in crime associated with refugees. [1] - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/25/migrant-crime-germany-rises-50-per-cent-new-figures-show/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/25/migrant-crime-ger... [2] - https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2903116 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2903116
- program_whiz 9y ago
  Are you sure about this? I guess we should stop trying to fight crime with those outdated notions of education, upward mobility, etc and instead focus on creating more of the conditions refugees have instead, since that appears to cause less crime. All this time I thought the peaceful Scandinavian nations had it figured out, turns out Syria had the right idea. Also I'm not sure if crime stats are right. There have been a lot of cases of covering up crimes by immigrants/refugees due to social pressure and allegations of racism. See the Rotheram incident, which set of a storm of reports all over Europe, but was covered up for years due to social pressure (56 mass rapists in one town, 53 of whom were immigrant Muslims): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploit... Another example from Germany, 1200 assaults in one night in one town: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaul...

ricardobeat 9y ago

You might be surprised to find that you're completely wrong on this. Data from the UN and Germany shows that 80%+ of refugees have a university degree or secondary education. When war strikes, those with more resources are the ones able to escape and pay their way through to the EU. Of course this doesn't mean integration is any easier, but the reasons are not that simple.

yorwba 9y ago
Do you have a source for that figure? I agree that refugees who had the resources to make it to Europe would be relatively well off, but taking spouses and children into account, I would expect a much lower proportion with a degree.
- alexknvl 9y ago
  The reuters article referenced below [1] claims that 58 percent [of adult refugees] had spent 10 years or more at school, and just under a third had attended university or a vocational school. Presumably, if you take children into account the figure will be even smaller. [1] - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-survey-idUSKBN13A22F https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-s...
ForRealsies 9y ago
Only 13 percent of recent refugees in Germany have found work: survey http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-survey-idUSKBN13A22F http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-su...
jlebrech 9y ago
you don't have a degree if you got rid of your passport, no matter how many years of education you had. and you shouldn't be allowed to use those credentials if you came illegally.

ageofwant 9y ago

Statistics show that refugee population increase has a smaller impact on crime and public resource drain than equivalent 'native' population increase. A group of 1000 refugees will have less criminals and put smaller burden on state resources than 1000 local citizens. Go figure, everything you thought you new about refugees are wrong. http://www.e-ir.info/2016/03/07/refugees-economic-burden-or-opportunity/ http://www.e-ir.info/2016/03/07/refugees-economic-burden-or-...

alexknvl 9y ago
The referenced article doesn't have any figures on crime. A news article from 2017 [1] claims the opposite (refugees commit disproportionately more crime), but adds that just 1 per cent of migrants account for 40 per cent of migrant crimes. [2] has a lot more detailed stats and supports the claim that there are disproportionate increases in crime associated with refugees. [1] - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/25/migrant-crime-germany-rises-50-per-cent-new-figures-show/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/25/migrant-crime-ger... [2] - https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2903116 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2903116
program_whiz 9y ago
Are you sure about this? I guess we should stop trying to fight crime with those outdated notions of education, upward mobility, etc and instead focus on creating more of the conditions refugees have instead, since that appears to cause less crime. All this time I thought the peaceful Scandinavian nations had it figured out, turns out Syria had the right idea. Also I'm not sure if crime stats are right. There have been a lot of cases of covering up crimes by immigrants/refugees due to social pressure and allegations of racism. See the Rotheram incident, which set of a storm of reports all over Europe, but was covered up for years due to social pressure (56 mass rapists in one town, 53 of whom were immigrant Muslims): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploit... Another example from Germany, 1200 assaults in one night in one town: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaul...