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Its not that he pulls the trigger. The real question is what the fuck do do with the 25 million North Korean refugees? No one wants them.

jlebrech 9y ago
europe doesn't seem to have trouble with that number of refugees or am i mistaken?
- dagw 9y ago
  Europe has received an order of magnitude fewer refugees spread out of 2.5 years. As to whether or not they've been having "trouble", I guess it all depends on how bad things have to get before you upgrade it from inconvenience to trouble.
- NedIsakoff 9y ago
  Europe took in 2.5M in 2015/2015 (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis), North Korea has 25M population. Europe economically is much stronger then South Korea. Plus the refugees are more functional in a modern world then 99.9% of the DPRKians.
- TausAmmer 9y ago
  Still have not encountered anyone from Europe who is happy about having refugees up to they arse. Except those that benefit from transporting/smuggling them and government agencies. Money grabbers love refugees, 25M refugees will give billions of income, of course, from the expense of common man. And you can talk all you want about the outcome and best scenarios, lives. Warmongers will war, money grabbers will grab, you will pay for that!
- program_whiz 9y ago
  There has been a huge increase in terrorism and crime, as well as massive drains on public resources. 99% of refugees aren't going to come to a first world nation from their 3rd world war-torn nation and just "settle in and start being productive". Obviously a minority (Doctors, Lawyers if they can meet new/different standards) can contribute, but most of those people were in poverty and uneducated back home, and living in a totally different society -- so integration is pretty rough imo.
  - ricardobeat 9y ago
    You might be surprised to find that you're completely wrong on this. Data from the UN and Germany shows that 80%+ of refugees have a university degree or secondary education. When war strikes, those with more resources are the ones able to escape and pay their way through to the EU. Of course this doesn't mean integration is any easier, but the reasons are not that simple.
    - yorwba 9y ago
      Do you have a source for that figure? I agree that refugees who had the resources to make it to Europe would be relatively well off, but taking spouses and children into account, I would expect a much lower proportion with a degree.
      - alexknvl 9y ago
        The reuters article referenced below [1] claims that 58 percent [of adult refugees] had spent 10 years or more at school, and just under a third had attended university or a vocational school. Presumably, if you take children into account the figure will be even smaller. [1] - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-survey-idUSKBN13A22F https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-s...
    - ForRealsies 9y ago
      Only 13 percent of recent refugees in Germany have found work: survey http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-survey-idUSKBN13A22F http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-su...
    - jlebrech 9y ago
      you don't have a degree if you got rid of your passport, no matter how many years of education you had. and you shouldn't be allowed to use those credentials if you came illegally.
  - ageofwant 9y ago
    Statistics show that refugee population increase has a smaller impact on crime and public resource drain than equivalent 'native' population increase. A group of 1000 refugees will have less criminals and put smaller burden on state resources than 1000 local citizens. Go figure, everything you thought you new about refugees are wrong. http://www.e-ir.info/2016/03/07/refugees-economic-burden-or-opportunity/ http://www.e-ir.info/2016/03/07/refugees-economic-burden-or-...
c0nducktr 9y ago
It's frankly appalling how people appear to be more concerned about who would take care of refugees more than the 10s of millions of human lives which would be ended in the event of war with DPRK.

jlebrech 9y ago

europe doesn't seem to have trouble with that number of refugees or am i mistaken?

dagw 9y ago
Europe has received an order of magnitude fewer refugees spread out of 2.5 years. As to whether or not they've been having "trouble", I guess it all depends on how bad things have to get before you upgrade it from inconvenience to trouble.
NedIsakoff 9y ago
Europe took in 2.5M in 2015/2015 (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis), North Korea has 25M population. Europe economically is much stronger then South Korea. Plus the refugees are more functional in a modern world then 99.9% of the DPRKians.
TausAmmer 9y ago
Still have not encountered anyone from Europe who is happy about having refugees up to they arse. Except those that benefit from transporting/smuggling them and government agencies. Money grabbers love refugees, 25M refugees will give billions of income, of course, from the expense of common man. And you can talk all you want about the outcome and best scenarios, lives. Warmongers will war, money grabbers will grab, you will pay for that!
program_whiz 9y ago
There has been a huge increase in terrorism and crime, as well as massive drains on public resources. 99% of refugees aren't going to come to a first world nation from their 3rd world war-torn nation and just "settle in and start being productive". Obviously a minority (Doctors, Lawyers if they can meet new/different standards) can contribute, but most of those people were in poverty and uneducated back home, and living in a totally different society -- so integration is pretty rough imo.
- ricardobeat 9y ago
  You might be surprised to find that you're completely wrong on this. Data from the UN and Germany shows that 80%+ of refugees have a university degree or secondary education. When war strikes, those with more resources are the ones able to escape and pay their way through to the EU. Of course this doesn't mean integration is any easier, but the reasons are not that simple.
  - yorwba 9y ago
    Do you have a source for that figure? I agree that refugees who had the resources to make it to Europe would be relatively well off, but taking spouses and children into account, I would expect a much lower proportion with a degree.
    - alexknvl 9y ago
      The reuters article referenced below [1] claims that 58 percent [of adult refugees] had spent 10 years or more at school, and just under a third had attended university or a vocational school. Presumably, if you take children into account the figure will be even smaller. [1] - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-survey-idUSKBN13A22F https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-s...
  - ForRealsies 9y ago
    Only 13 percent of recent refugees in Germany have found work: survey http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-survey-idUSKBN13A22F http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-su...
  - jlebrech 9y ago
    you don't have a degree if you got rid of your passport, no matter how many years of education you had. and you shouldn't be allowed to use those credentials if you came illegally.
- ageofwant 9y ago
  Statistics show that refugee population increase has a smaller impact on crime and public resource drain than equivalent 'native' population increase. A group of 1000 refugees will have less criminals and put smaller burden on state resources than 1000 local citizens. Go figure, everything you thought you new about refugees are wrong. http://www.e-ir.info/2016/03/07/refugees-economic-burden-or-opportunity/ http://www.e-ir.info/2016/03/07/refugees-economic-burden-or-...

c0nducktr 9y ago

It's frankly appalling how people appear to be more concerned about who would take care of refugees more than the 10s of millions of human lives which would be ended in the event of war with DPRK.