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I'm not hoping Wayland will replace it... "Is Wayland network transparent / does it support remote rendering? No" Then it is useless to me. As crappy as X is

I'm not hoping Wayland will replace it... "Is Wayland network transparent / does it support remote rendering? No" Then it is useless to me. As crappy as X is (and I agree that it sucks pretty hard), at least it works for my use cases.

alyandon 9y ago
Exactly, I can't consider moving off X11 until something akin to x2go/RDP is available.
- curt15 9y ago
  How about this? https://ctrl.blog/entry/wayland-gnome-remote-desktop https://ctrl.blog/entry/wayland-gnome-remote-desktop
  - alyandon 9y ago
    I'm not that familiar with Vino but VNC isn't really what I'd call usable over high latency networks compared to x2go/nx and Microsoft RDP. If all they've done is port Vino to Wayland in order to enable remotely accessing a Wayland based desktop and they are still using the equivalent of the VNC protocol then that likely won't be performant enough for me. :(
cs702 9y ago
No worries, you will be able to run X on top of Wayland. Quoting from https://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html#heading_toc_j_8 https://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html#heading_toc_j_8 : "This doesn't mean that remote rendering won't be possible with Wayland, it just means that you will have to put a remote rendering server on top of Wayland. One such server could be the X.org server, but other options include an RDP server, a VNC server or somebody could even invent their own new remote rendering model. Which is a feature when you think about it; layering X.org on top of Wayland has very little overhead, but the other types of remote rendering servers no longer requires X.org, and experimenting with new protocols is easier." No, the irony is not lost on me.
- Spivak 9y ago
  It seems like they don't want people to use X on top of Wayland but are trying to assure people that a distro shipping Wayland wont break their ability to ssh -X.
- pmoriarty 9y ago
  Can anyone who currently runs X on top of Wayland comment on how ready it is for daily desktop use? If I installed Wayland and ran X on top of it today, would it be as stable and feature-rich as a standalone xorg server?
dmm 9y ago
Modern X's network transparency amounts to sending images over the network. That's something wayland will do equally well.
- renox 9y ago
  Wrong. X has remote capabilities BY DEFAULT. Wayland will eventually have an option to render remote applications, but as it will be only an option it won't work 'equally well'..
moron4hire 9y ago
VNC and RDP work pretty great without it.

alyandon 9y ago

Exactly, I can't consider moving off X11 until something akin to x2go/RDP is available.

curt15 9y ago
How about this? https://ctrl.blog/entry/wayland-gnome-remote-desktop https://ctrl.blog/entry/wayland-gnome-remote-desktop
- alyandon 9y ago
  I'm not that familiar with Vino but VNC isn't really what I'd call usable over high latency networks compared to x2go/nx and Microsoft RDP. If all they've done is port Vino to Wayland in order to enable remotely accessing a Wayland based desktop and they are still using the equivalent of the VNC protocol then that likely won't be performant enough for me. :(

cs702 9y ago

No worries, you will be able to run X on top of Wayland. Quoting from https://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html#heading_toc_j_8 https://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html#heading_toc_j_8 : "This doesn't mean that remote rendering won't be possible with Wayland, it just means that you will have to put a remote rendering server on top of Wayland. One such server could be the X.org server, but other options include an RDP server, a VNC server or somebody could even invent their own new remote rendering model. Which is a feature when you think about it; layering X.org on top of Wayland has very little overhead, but the other types of remote rendering servers no longer requires X.org, and experimenting with new protocols is easier." No, the irony is not lost on me.

Spivak 9y ago
It seems like they don't want people to use X on top of Wayland but are trying to assure people that a distro shipping Wayland wont break their ability to ssh -X.
pmoriarty 9y ago
Can anyone who currently runs X on top of Wayland comment on how ready it is for daily desktop use? If I installed Wayland and ran X on top of it today, would it be as stable and feature-rich as a standalone xorg server?

dmm 9y ago

Modern X's network transparency amounts to sending images over the network. That's something wayland will do equally well.

renox 9y ago
Wrong. X has remote capabilities BY DEFAULT. Wayland will eventually have an option to render remote applications, but as it will be only an option it won't work 'equally well'..

moron4hire 9y ago

VNC and RDP work pretty great without it.