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Mainstream porn is about objectification. At the birth of modern video pornography, pornography was a vehicle for a story. The story was the theme, and the sex

Mainstream porn is about objectification. At the birth of modern video pornography, pornography was a vehicle for a story. The story was the theme, and the sex took up a small portion of the total run time, because who wants to watch people fucking for two hours? Objectification is a very specific thing as regards sex. To objectify is to render less than human, to make something inanimate, lifeless. To have a single task, to be used as a tool. As a thing to be achieved or gained or possessed, bought and sold; a commodity. Mainstream heteronormative porn mainly espouses a chauvinistic male point of view. In that view, women are usually objects. And since the women are the main subject of such porn, there's no focus on the guy, either - so both often seem like objects. Porn in itself is an object, similar to a painting or piece of music. And also like art, the point is not to objectify the subject - it's to identify with the subject. What one does after that is particular to the person. Maybe you fall in love with the person on the screen? Hate them? Imagine a past lover who looks similar? Not everyone sees porn subjects as objects. Sometimes people want beautiful art, or escape. They don't necessarily want to see two machines banging into one another for an hour.

coldtea 9y ago
>Objectification is a very specific thing as regards sex. To objectify is to render less than human, to make something inanimate, lifeless. To have a single task, to be used as a tool. And when you want to just fuck, whether you are a man or woman or anything else, that's exactly what you want. When you want love and cuddling and connecting, that's another story (and you can even be the same person that in other instances wanted to just fuck. In fact usually that's the case). But somehow those that want to just fuck, and thus seek in the other just that, are supposed to be made to feel guilty -- even if the other doesn't mind, and wants just that themselves. >Mainstream heteronormative porn mainly espouses a chauvinistic male point of view. That's the whole point. Porn is about pleasure. The "chauvinistic male point of view" provides pleasure to the majority (mainstream) of males. Porn is not about expanding your mind and connecting with the Other and the magic of the universe. It's also not about empowering etc -- any more than cooking is about empowering eaters.
- peterwwillis 9y ago
  > > Objectification is a very specific thing as regards sex. To objectify > > is to render less than human, to make something inanimate, lifeless. > > To have a single task, to be used as a tool. > And when you want to just fuck, whether you are a man or woman or > anything else, that's exactly what you want. "Just wanting to fuck" is not objectification. I can want to fuck someone without dehumanizing them. Implying that "just wanting to fuck" is the same as objectification, for everyone, all the time, is really not healthy. > But somehow those that want to just fuck, and thus seek in the other > just that, are supposed to be made to feel guilty -- even if the > other doesn't mind I haven't mentioned guilt or shame at all. I think you're projecting something else into my comment. > That's the whole point. Porn is about pleasure. The > "chauvinistic male point of view" provides pleasure to the majority > (mainstream) of males. It's pleasurable to you. It's not so pleasurable to someone else if they become the subject of your objectification fantasy without agreeing to that. And it's not so pleasurable to large segments of society who then become targets of behaviors learned from watching only this kind of porn. ..... which is the entire point being addressed by the business mentioned at the top of the article. But anyway..... > Porn is not about expanding your mind and connecting with the Other > and the magic of the universe. It's also not about empowering etc > -- any more than cooking is about empowering eaters. This is your view and personal opinion. It doesn't apply to everyone else.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >It's pleasurable to you. It's not so pleasurable to someone else if they become the subject of your objectification fantasy without agreeing to that. Fantasies are personal. And if you mean the porn actors, they are paid and are into the whole thing (if they are not, that's of course another story). So what someone's fantasies are, is no business of anybody else -- and no one's agreement is required. >And it's not so pleasurable to large segments of society who then become targets of behaviors learned from watching only this kind of porn. Porn didn't exist when cavemen raped women. Besides, should we extend the same concern to video games, movies, literature, etc? How about we add violence to it? I, for one, wouldn't find it "pleasurable" to become target of behaviors someone learned in a street fighting video game or a FPS.

coldtea 9y ago

>Objectification is a very specific thing as regards sex. To objectify is to render less than human, to make something inanimate, lifeless. To have a single task, to be used as a tool. And when you want to just fuck, whether you are a man or woman or anything else, that's exactly what you want. When you want love and cuddling and connecting, that's another story (and you can even be the same person that in other instances wanted to just fuck. In fact usually that's the case). But somehow those that want to just fuck, and thus seek in the other just that, are supposed to be made to feel guilty -- even if the other doesn't mind, and wants just that themselves. >Mainstream heteronormative porn mainly espouses a chauvinistic male point of view. That's the whole point. Porn is about pleasure. The "chauvinistic male point of view" provides pleasure to the majority (mainstream) of males. Porn is not about expanding your mind and connecting with the Other and the magic of the universe. It's also not about empowering etc -- any more than cooking is about empowering eaters.

peterwwillis 9y ago
> > Objectification is a very specific thing as regards sex. To objectify > > is to render less than human, to make something inanimate, lifeless. > > To have a single task, to be used as a tool. > And when you want to just fuck, whether you are a man or woman or > anything else, that's exactly what you want. "Just wanting to fuck" is not objectification. I can want to fuck someone without dehumanizing them. Implying that "just wanting to fuck" is the same as objectification, for everyone, all the time, is really not healthy. > But somehow those that want to just fuck, and thus seek in the other > just that, are supposed to be made to feel guilty -- even if the > other doesn't mind I haven't mentioned guilt or shame at all. I think you're projecting something else into my comment. > That's the whole point. Porn is about pleasure. The > "chauvinistic male point of view" provides pleasure to the majority > (mainstream) of males. It's pleasurable to you. It's not so pleasurable to someone else if they become the subject of your objectification fantasy without agreeing to that. And it's not so pleasurable to large segments of society who then become targets of behaviors learned from watching only this kind of porn. ..... which is the entire point being addressed by the business mentioned at the top of the article. But anyway..... > Porn is not about expanding your mind and connecting with the Other > and the magic of the universe. It's also not about empowering etc > -- any more than cooking is about empowering eaters. This is your view and personal opinion. It doesn't apply to everyone else.
- coldtea 9y ago
  >It's pleasurable to you. It's not so pleasurable to someone else if they become the subject of your objectification fantasy without agreeing to that. Fantasies are personal. And if you mean the porn actors, they are paid and are into the whole thing (if they are not, that's of course another story). So what someone's fantasies are, is no business of anybody else -- and no one's agreement is required. >And it's not so pleasurable to large segments of society who then become targets of behaviors learned from watching only this kind of porn. Porn didn't exist when cavemen raped women. Besides, should we extend the same concern to video games, movies, literature, etc? How about we add violence to it? I, for one, wouldn't find it "pleasurable" to become target of behaviors someone learned in a street fighting video game or a FPS.