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The current governor of Texas once sued the EPA because the EPA claimed global warming could affect public safety. Of course, denial that burning carbon fuels

The current governor of Texas once sued the EPA because the EPA claimed global warming could affect public safety. Of course, denial that burning carbon fuels can cause climate change including more powerful hurricanes was one of the cornerstones of the president of the USA's campaign. Texas voted for him in a big way. None of these things stopped the storm from wacking them and Louisiana though. As Richard Feynman once said, nature cannot be fooled. Trump just announced the feds are sending federal aid and support to Texas. The governor and president are both fighting to expand these disasters, then we the taxpayers have to bail them out.

notruthallowed 9y ago
Did you know that the rate of hurricanes and other natural disasters has actually been decreasing? Natural gas and coal save more lives in a day than all natural disasters will kill all year.
linkregister 9y ago
Is it clear that climate change is responsible for the extent of the damage? Is it not the fact that too much building occurred in FEMA-designated flood zones? That too much paving substantially reduced the amount of available land to absorb flood waters? That draining of wetlands seriously harmed the ability of flood waters to subside? Let's not water down the risk of climate change by attributing disasters to it when the primary causes were unrelated.
- thaumasiotes 9y ago
  How does attributing extra disasters to it "water down" the risk of climate change? More disasters seems like more risk?
  - pyroinferno 9y ago
    Because when you're an idiot, and blame everything on climate change (even though it's clearly not related) no one is going to believe you the next time you yell "climate change!" even though you may be right.
- bonesss 9y ago
  It's not either/or, it's both/and: climate change and city planning are orthogonal to one another. > Is it clear that climate change is responsible for the extent of the damage? That's highly odd way to phrase the question. Climate change is responsible for more energy in the oceans, which is responsible for more, bigger, storms. Bigger storms mean more damage per storm. Climate and weather are different. The climate changing in a manner that makes the weather more extreme will always contribute to damage, but will never be "responsible" for it as it will always be the weather causing the damage... So: this is the third "once in 500 years" event in 3 years. That is what "climate change" looks like. These storms "suddenly" popping up? Climate change means more of that, as we have been seeing and can demonstrate statistically. The long term prognosis? Thanks to climate change it's worse, with these rare events becoming ever more frequent, and the extent of damages growing over time. Our climate is provably changing, from human activity. This is very clear. Barring holodecks there are no primary causes for weather than climate... Change that climate away from what our society is adapted for and expect pain.
  - chrisco255 9y ago
    What other "once in 500 years" event occurred? Having a hard time coming up with a storm this disastrous since Katrina, which was a mere Cat 3 hurricane that happened to break a bunch of levies protecting a sub sea level city. That was an engineering failure. Nothing extraordinary about Katrina as a hurricane. Hurricanes are naturally occurring disasters that have pummeled coast lines for billions of years. Climate change is surely occurring but it hasn't had a dramatic effect on hurricanes as of yet. We've got catostrophic storms going back every decade. Donna, Hugo, Andrew, Katrina, Harvey...none of this is new.
    - bonesss 9y ago
      https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/8/28/16211392/100-500-year-flood-meaning https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/8/28/16211392/10... This story has also been in the NYT, as I recall: > Tomball, Texas, Public Works director David Esquivel told a local paper there this year that the Houston area had “two 500-year storms back to back”: over Memorial Day weekend of 2015 and early April 2016. That means that Hurricane Harvey constitutes the third “500-year” flood in three years. Rare meteorological events do not correlate to large scale disasters, per se. They only reflect the probability of the underlying event happening in any given year. Imagine that your nearest creek "flooding" by 2 inches should only happen every thousand years, for example. > We've got catostrophic storms going back every decade. Donna, Hugo, Andrew, Katrina, Harvey...none of this is new. Aaaaand here's the fundamental confusion with those kinds of summaries: what is the difference between speed and acceleration? We have always had bad weather. Having more bad weather than before, more frequently, is the issue. Climate change did not invent the hurricane. Climate change ensures our hurricanes will be bigger, more frequent, and more likely to combine with other larger, more frequent, weather systems. See Sandy, for example.

notruthallowed 9y ago

Did you know that the rate of hurricanes and other natural disasters has actually been decreasing? Natural gas and coal save more lives in a day than all natural disasters will kill all year.

linkregister 9y ago

Is it clear that climate change is responsible for the extent of the damage? Is it not the fact that too much building occurred in FEMA-designated flood zones? That too much paving substantially reduced the amount of available land to absorb flood waters? That draining of wetlands seriously harmed the ability of flood waters to subside? Let's not water down the risk of climate change by attributing disasters to it when the primary causes were unrelated.

thaumasiotes 9y ago
How does attributing extra disasters to it "water down" the risk of climate change? More disasters seems like more risk?
- pyroinferno 9y ago
  Because when you're an idiot, and blame everything on climate change (even though it's clearly not related) no one is going to believe you the next time you yell "climate change!" even though you may be right.
bonesss 9y ago
It's not either/or, it's both/and: climate change and city planning are orthogonal to one another. > Is it clear that climate change is responsible for the extent of the damage? That's highly odd way to phrase the question. Climate change is responsible for more energy in the oceans, which is responsible for more, bigger, storms. Bigger storms mean more damage per storm. Climate and weather are different. The climate changing in a manner that makes the weather more extreme will always contribute to damage, but will never be "responsible" for it as it will always be the weather causing the damage... So: this is the third "once in 500 years" event in 3 years. That is what "climate change" looks like. These storms "suddenly" popping up? Climate change means more of that, as we have been seeing and can demonstrate statistically. The long term prognosis? Thanks to climate change it's worse, with these rare events becoming ever more frequent, and the extent of damages growing over time. Our climate is provably changing, from human activity. This is very clear. Barring holodecks there are no primary causes for weather than climate... Change that climate away from what our society is adapted for and expect pain.
- chrisco255 9y ago
  What other "once in 500 years" event occurred? Having a hard time coming up with a storm this disastrous since Katrina, which was a mere Cat 3 hurricane that happened to break a bunch of levies protecting a sub sea level city. That was an engineering failure. Nothing extraordinary about Katrina as a hurricane. Hurricanes are naturally occurring disasters that have pummeled coast lines for billions of years. Climate change is surely occurring but it hasn't had a dramatic effect on hurricanes as of yet. We've got catostrophic storms going back every decade. Donna, Hugo, Andrew, Katrina, Harvey...none of this is new.
  - bonesss 9y ago
    https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/8/28/16211392/100-500-year-flood-meaning https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/8/28/16211392/10... This story has also been in the NYT, as I recall: > Tomball, Texas, Public Works director David Esquivel told a local paper there this year that the Houston area had “two 500-year storms back to back”: over Memorial Day weekend of 2015 and early April 2016. That means that Hurricane Harvey constitutes the third “500-year” flood in three years. Rare meteorological events do not correlate to large scale disasters, per se. They only reflect the probability of the underlying event happening in any given year. Imagine that your nearest creek "flooding" by 2 inches should only happen every thousand years, for example. > We've got catostrophic storms going back every decade. Donna, Hugo, Andrew, Katrina, Harvey...none of this is new. Aaaaand here's the fundamental confusion with those kinds of summaries: what is the difference between speed and acceleration? We have always had bad weather. Having more bad weather than before, more frequently, is the issue. Climate change did not invent the hurricane. Climate change ensures our hurricanes will be bigger, more frequent, and more likely to combine with other larger, more frequent, weather systems. See Sandy, for example.