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I believe you're being slightly unfair to those institutions. As one example: the US Government, as a policy, never lies to the American press (and, by extensio
by matt4077 9y ago
I believe you're being slightly unfair to those institutions. As one example: the US Government, as a policy, never lies to the American press (and, by extension, the people). They may sometimes do so to the foreign press, or they'll deny comment, or they'll give you an answer that doesn't actually answer your question. But there used to be a line they dared not to cross.
There are many reasons for this. Some will insist it's the morally right thing to do. But a better explanation is usually that it's in no one's interest: Career bureaucrats are simply never in a position where lying is a good option unless they're trying to cover up a crime they committed. They're risking their job, and possibly criminal prosecution, without any real potential upside. For elected officials, the same is usually true–with the potential exception of a lame-duck President who has nowhere to go but retirement. But at that point, they've probably gotten used to managing their office without lies.
Of course that's a description of the past, and the lower reaches of elected executive office (but not employees) have a worse track record, where many a town mayor with a coke habit has lied to cover his creative accounting. Nixon also comes to mind. But before you say "Iraqi WMDs", I'd say that was arguably a case of a government convincing themselves through wishful thinking.
Maybe they're just really good at lying? It's the old problem: is the revelation of a scandal proof of spreading corruption, or does it show that the system is working, and the bad apples are caught? It really seems to come down to personal judgement. I can only say that having interacted with governments on multiple levels, and seen a lot of, for example, the vast amounts of data they produce and decisions they make that are never the subject of the news, I have come away with the impression that the Government is usually trustworthy, and that decisions are often made with a surprising lack of emotions. For example, I once won a lawsuit against a local government. Yet a few months later, we won a tender that we deserved to win, even though the decision was made by the very same people we had previously fought in court.
If all else fails: even if government were corrupt to its core, saying so would be less effective than acting as if it weren't, and focussing on specific incidents. Because faced with a public that believes only the worst of every politician removes all incentives for them not to become exactly that sort of thoroughly corrupt politician. And if it's part of society's lore that all powerful people lie, that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when people new to government just follow the clues they got from popular culture.
- jacquesm 9y ago> As one example: the US Government, as a policy, never lies to the American press (and, by extension, the people). Is this some kind of advanced sarcasm?
- blkhawk 9y agoIf you accept that the US Government didn't lie just told the least untrue thing it could then it fits. It just turn outs the former is identical to the latter in most cases.
- 0xbear 9y agoI think you meant to say "US Government, as a policy, never tells the truth". If they did, we the people would have thrown them out on their asses before their terms are up.
- and0 9y ago> the US Government, as a policy, never lies to the American press I'm sorry.. what?
- nasredin 9y agoIf you speak any foreign languages try watching government-controlled media in 3rd world countries. They just... make stuff up. Stuff that can be easily checked via a quick Google search. Look at Russia's state-controlled TV, the current leader in this.
- and0 9y agoI agree other countries are worse but the US government makes things up and lies constantly. Obama wasn't perfect, but I don't think it's partisan to point out how Trump's admin is utterly blatant in this, comically so.