I pretty much totally agree. I released two apps in the app store (one was a rather elaborate game). I feel I experienced enough to get a feel for what the lang

I pretty much totally agree. I released two apps in the app store (one was a rather elaborate game). I feel I experienced enough to get a feel for what the language is like, and I came away unimpressed. At the most basic level, how verbose the language is is what bugged me the most. You gotta type like crazy to get anything done in Obj-C.