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They aren't going to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803373

by 1001101 9y ago

dv_dt 9y ago
This makes one wonder if there is a secret legal requirement for this kind of capability.
- zanny 9y ago
  Of course there is, that is why they added it (and made it unstoppable) in the first place.
- carapace 9y ago
  Years and years ago, when color printer/scanners were fairly new, I tried to scan and print a $5 dollar bill. I was curious. The machine printed out about a third of the image but the rest of what it printed was a very official looking notice to please call the US Treasury. (edit: HP was the manufacturer.)
  - mnbghj 9y ago
    Likely to do with the EURion constellation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation Another item of interest may be printer stenography, in which every piece of printed paper, seemingly from every printer, can be traced back to make, model and potentially even the unit used to print it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_steganography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_steganography
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    - carapace 9y ago
      I'm one of the most paranoid people you're ever likely to meet. (People more paranoid than I am won't communicate online.) Printer stenography is just beyond the limit I set for myself to try to disbelieve, and yet, here it is. (Meaning that I always assumed something like this was going on, because that's what I would do, but I try to disbelieve it so as to be able to act normal. I believe all phones are continually listening to and scanning their ambient environments, because that's what I would do. But probably not, right? Right?) The thing that bothers me the most is that "normal" people refuse to engage with reality. I used to tell people some of the things e.g. that Snowden revealed, but I was always accused of wearing the tinfoil hat. From my point of view, normal people are hugely intellectually dishonest. Poor Ed Snowden had to throw his life away to try to get people to notice and think about what's happening, and typically all most people do is whine about their precious privacy (the ones that don't immediately stick their heads back into the sand that is.) Like privacy is something that still exists. It doesn't. I better wrap it up here before I get the urge to talk about forbidden technologies like REDACTED, REDACTED, and REDACTED. I mean, there's a certain tension knowing about a REDACTED that can cure all diseases, but that cannot be popularized because it can also REDACTED without a trace. Could you imagine the chaos if something like that became public knowledge!?
      - glasz 9y ago
        i feel you, mate. even more troubling for me is that ppl, including snowden, believe he changed things. well, more ppl use encryption. but the vast majority doesnt even know. ppl are still too stupid to grasp the concept of privacy and freedom. its just some pretty words. like "i want my children to have better future" and off they go posting pictures of them on facebook.
      - mnbghj 9y ago
        I wrote off freedom and privacy 2 years ago simply because it was having adverse effects on my mental health. I wasn't changing anything by being paranoid so I just stopped being paranoid. I still don't use facebook and I run free/open-source software exclusively, but worrying about it didn't change anything.

They aren't going to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803373

dv_dt 9y ago

This makes one wonder if there is a secret legal requirement for this kind of capability.

zanny 9y ago
Of course there is, that is why they added it (and made it unstoppable) in the first place.
carapace 9y ago
Years and years ago, when color printer/scanners were fairly new, I tried to scan and print a $5 dollar bill. I was curious. The machine printed out about a third of the image but the rest of what it printed was a very official looking notice to please call the US Treasury. (edit: HP was the manufacturer.)
- mnbghj 9y ago
  Likely to do with the EURion constellation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation Another item of interest may be printer stenography, in which every piece of printed paper, seemingly from every printer, can be traced back to make, model and potentially even the unit used to print it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_steganography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_steganography
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - carapace 9y ago
    I'm one of the most paranoid people you're ever likely to meet. (People more paranoid than I am won't communicate online.) Printer stenography is just beyond the limit I set for myself to try to disbelieve, and yet, here it is. (Meaning that I always assumed something like this was going on, because that's what I would do, but I try to disbelieve it so as to be able to act normal. I believe all phones are continually listening to and scanning their ambient environments, because that's what I would do. But probably not, right? Right?) The thing that bothers me the most is that "normal" people refuse to engage with reality. I used to tell people some of the things e.g. that Snowden revealed, but I was always accused of wearing the tinfoil hat. From my point of view, normal people are hugely intellectually dishonest. Poor Ed Snowden had to throw his life away to try to get people to notice and think about what's happening, and typically all most people do is whine about their precious privacy (the ones that don't immediately stick their heads back into the sand that is.) Like privacy is something that still exists. It doesn't. I better wrap it up here before I get the urge to talk about forbidden technologies like REDACTED, REDACTED, and REDACTED. I mean, there's a certain tension knowing about a REDACTED that can cure all diseases, but that cannot be popularized because it can also REDACTED without a trace. Could you imagine the chaos if something like that became public knowledge!?
    - glasz 9y ago
      i feel you, mate. even more troubling for me is that ppl, including snowden, believe he changed things. well, more ppl use encryption. but the vast majority doesnt even know. ppl are still too stupid to grasp the concept of privacy and freedom. its just some pretty words. like "i want my children to have better future" and off they go posting pictures of them on facebook.
    - mnbghj 9y ago
      I wrote off freedom and privacy 2 years ago simply because it was having adverse effects on my mental health. I wasn't changing anything by being paranoid so I just stopped being paranoid. I still don't use facebook and I run free/open-source software exclusively, but worrying about it didn't change anything.