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Does AMD have anything like Intel ME on their chipsets? I recently completed a Ryzen build and am curious.

by dabockster 9y ago

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v4n4d1s 9y ago
Search for "AMD PSP".
- wolfgke 9y ago
  > Search for "AMD PSP". To quote https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803645 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803645 "AMD seems not to use the brand name "AMD PSP" anymore. Instead some years ago they began to use the name "AMD Secure Processor". Nevertheless it is just the same: Read the small footnote at http://www.amd.com/en-gb/innovations/software-technologies/security http://www.amd.com/en-gb/innovations/software-technologies/s... which begins with 'AMD Secure Processor (formerly “Platform Security Processor” or “PSP”)'."
  - v4n4d1s 9y ago
    Thank you
eightysixfour 9y ago
Yes, the AMD Platform Security Professor. The CEO said in a Reddit AMA they would look into open sourcing it.
- 1001101 9y ago
  They aren't going to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803373
  - dv_dt 9y ago
    This makes one wonder if there is a secret legal requirement for this kind of capability.
    - zanny 9y ago
      Of course there is, that is why they added it (and made it unstoppable) in the first place.
    - carapace 9y ago
      Years and years ago, when color printer/scanners were fairly new, I tried to scan and print a $5 dollar bill. I was curious. The machine printed out about a third of the image but the rest of what it printed was a very official looking notice to please call the US Treasury. (edit: HP was the manufacturer.)
      - mnbghj 9y ago
        Likely to do with the EURion constellation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation Another item of interest may be printer stenography, in which every piece of printed paper, seemingly from every printer, can be traced back to make, model and potentially even the unit used to print it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_steganography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_steganography
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        carapace 9y ago
        I'm one of the most paranoid people you're ever likely to meet. (People more paranoid than I am won't communicate online.) Printer stenography is just beyond the limit I set for myself to try to disbelieve, and yet, here it is. (Meaning that I always assumed something like this was going on, because that's what I would do, but I try to disbelieve it so as to be able to act normal. I believe all phones are continually listening to and scanning their ambient environments, because that's what I would do. But probably not, right? Right?) The thing that bothers me the most is that "normal" people refuse to engage with reality. I used to tell people some of the things e.g. that Snowden revealed, but I was always accused of wearing the tinfoil hat. From my point of view, normal people are hugely intellectually dishonest. Poor Ed Snowden had to throw his life away to try to get people to notice and think about what's happening, and typically all most people do is whine about their precious privacy (the ones that don't immediately stick their heads back into the sand that is.) Like privacy is something that still exists. It doesn't. I better wrap it up here before I get the urge to talk about forbidden technologies like REDACTED, REDACTED, and REDACTED. I mean, there's a certain tension knowing about a REDACTED that can cure all diseases, but that cannot be popularized because it can also REDACTED without a trace. Could you imagine the chaos if something like that became public knowledge!?
snakeanus 9y ago
Yes, they do https://libreboot.org/faq.html#amd https://libreboot.org/faq.html#amd. They even said recently that they are not planing to letting you disable it/remove it/share the source of it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803373. Ironically enough, using an Intel processor with ME cleaner is more free than using an AMD processor.

Does AMD have anything like Intel ME on their chipsets? I recently completed a Ryzen build and am curious.

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v4n4d1s 9y ago

Search for "AMD PSP".

wolfgke 9y ago
> Search for "AMD PSP". To quote https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803645 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803645 "AMD seems not to use the brand name "AMD PSP" anymore. Instead some years ago they began to use the name "AMD Secure Processor". Nevertheless it is just the same: Read the small footnote at http://www.amd.com/en-gb/innovations/software-technologies/security http://www.amd.com/en-gb/innovations/software-technologies/s... which begins with 'AMD Secure Processor (formerly “Platform Security Processor” or “PSP”)'."
- v4n4d1s 9y ago
  Thank you

eightysixfour 9y ago

Yes, the AMD Platform Security Professor. The CEO said in a Reddit AMA they would look into open sourcing it.

1001101 9y ago
They aren't going to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803373
- dv_dt 9y ago
  This makes one wonder if there is a secret legal requirement for this kind of capability.
  - zanny 9y ago
    Of course there is, that is why they added it (and made it unstoppable) in the first place.
  - carapace 9y ago
    Years and years ago, when color printer/scanners were fairly new, I tried to scan and print a $5 dollar bill. I was curious. The machine printed out about a third of the image but the rest of what it printed was a very official looking notice to please call the US Treasury. (edit: HP was the manufacturer.)
    - mnbghj 9y ago
      Likely to do with the EURion constellation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation Another item of interest may be printer stenography, in which every piece of printed paper, seemingly from every printer, can be traced back to make, model and potentially even the unit used to print it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_steganography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_steganography
      - deleted 9y ago
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      - carapace 9y ago
        I'm one of the most paranoid people you're ever likely to meet. (People more paranoid than I am won't communicate online.) Printer stenography is just beyond the limit I set for myself to try to disbelieve, and yet, here it is. (Meaning that I always assumed something like this was going on, because that's what I would do, but I try to disbelieve it so as to be able to act normal. I believe all phones are continually listening to and scanning their ambient environments, because that's what I would do. But probably not, right? Right?) The thing that bothers me the most is that "normal" people refuse to engage with reality. I used to tell people some of the things e.g. that Snowden revealed, but I was always accused of wearing the tinfoil hat. From my point of view, normal people are hugely intellectually dishonest. Poor Ed Snowden had to throw his life away to try to get people to notice and think about what's happening, and typically all most people do is whine about their precious privacy (the ones that don't immediately stick their heads back into the sand that is.) Like privacy is something that still exists. It doesn't. I better wrap it up here before I get the urge to talk about forbidden technologies like REDACTED, REDACTED, and REDACTED. I mean, there's a certain tension knowing about a REDACTED that can cure all diseases, but that cannot be popularized because it can also REDACTED without a trace. Could you imagine the chaos if something like that became public knowledge!?

snakeanus 9y ago

Yes, they do https://libreboot.org/faq.html#amd https://libreboot.org/faq.html#amd. They even said recently that they are not planing to letting you disable it/remove it/share the source of it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14803373. Ironically enough, using an Intel processor with ME cleaner is more free than using an AMD processor.