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ISIS is a bad example. Antifa however? CloudFlare (and domain registrars) should either exile the extremes on either side, or allow either side. The situation r

by jorvi 9y ago

ISIS is a bad example. Antifa however? CloudFlare (and domain registrars) should either exile the extremes on either side, or allow either side. The situation right now is stupendously lopsided.

orf 9y ago
I don't see Antifa mowing down protesters in cars and spewing Nazi hate speech at Nazi rallies they organized though, so I'd say that's a false equivalency.
- wyager 9y ago
  That's because the media has insanely lopsided coverage of recent attacks. It's a miracle no one's died from antifa attacks yet. Look up Eric Clanton. I also encourage you to watch actual footage of events starting with the Milo protest in berkely; the stuff I've been seeing on my news feed has nothing to do with reality.
  - orf 9y ago
    Lopsided or not, Antifa protesters have not driven a car into 'the other side' have they.
    - jorvi 9y ago
      I haven't seen any Nazis completely ripping up a town like Antifa did to Hamburg, so yes, actually, Antifa is shit and we should be rid of them sooner rather than later.
      - orf 9y ago
        Cool, but that's not what I asked was it. Also: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/german-police-arrest-211-after-far-right-riot-in-leipzig https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/german-police-... Took me 2 seconds to find that. Your lack of knowledge isn't proof of something not existing. Where Antifa discharging firearms at peaceful protesters? Or was that the neo-nazis?
        jorvi 9y ago
        'Violence is okay as long as my kind of people do it'. I have nothing more to say to you.
        orf 9y ago
        No where did I say or imply that. No violence is okay. However classing the Antifa bogeyman in the same league as the group that fired guns into protesters and ran down people in a car does a massive disservice to yourself and your country.
        jorvi 9y ago
        Okay, and Antifa have seriously hurt multiple police offers. I seriously don't get how you can ham on the alt-right but defend Antifa, they're both fringe groups that shit over society's rules.
        orf 9y ago
        See anigbrowl's comment below for a well thought out response. I'm also not defending Antifa, I'm commenting on your equivalence between the two groups. Sure, in the broadest of strokes they are the same, but so are all criminals. But one would not say a shoplifter is the same as a murderer. > I seriously don't get how you can ham on the murderers but defend shoplifters, they're both fringe groups that shit over society's rules.
    - wyager 9y ago
      You're right, they have not done that particular, very specific, arbitrarily chosen thing. What is your point?
  - anigbrowl 9y ago
    Having abundant first-hand experience of such events, I don't think your comment has anything to do with reality either. Poor as the quality of the coverage by the professional news media is, that by the amateur news media is just as bad or worse - framed and edited for maximum sensation with no attempt at fact-checking. Yes, there has been some violence from the anti-fascist side, such as Eric Clanton being hit with a bicycle lock. But you are overlooking the fact that fight-wing activists have initiated more and more deadly violence in similar contexts: a stabbing at a rally in Sacramento last year; a shooting Washington state earlier this year; and of course the deliberate driving of a car into a crowd at Charlotteville a couple of weeks ago. Screenshots from Discord suggest that particular tactic was discussed in advance by RW activists. I don't want to go on a Gish gallop or we'd be here all day, but I'd also encourage you to reflect on the fact that while Antifa supporters endorse the idea of punching nazis, popular figures with a public following on the far right have publicly and formally expressed the desire for civil war and even genocide. It's not possible to have a reasonable discussion without addressing that dichotomy.

by jorvi 9y ago

ISIS is a bad example. Antifa however? CloudFlare (and domain registrars) should either exile the extremes on either side, or allow either side. The situation right now is stupendously lopsided.

orf 9y ago

I don't see Antifa mowing down protesters in cars and spewing Nazi hate speech at Nazi rallies they organized though, so I'd say that's a false equivalency.

wyager 9y ago
That's because the media has insanely lopsided coverage of recent attacks. It's a miracle no one's died from antifa attacks yet. Look up Eric Clanton. I also encourage you to watch actual footage of events starting with the Milo protest in berkely; the stuff I've been seeing on my news feed has nothing to do with reality.
- orf 9y ago
  Lopsided or not, Antifa protesters have not driven a car into 'the other side' have they.
  - jorvi 9y ago
    I haven't seen any Nazis completely ripping up a town like Antifa did to Hamburg, so yes, actually, Antifa is shit and we should be rid of them sooner rather than later.
    - orf 9y ago
      Cool, but that's not what I asked was it. Also: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/german-police-arrest-211-after-far-right-riot-in-leipzig https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/german-police-... Took me 2 seconds to find that. Your lack of knowledge isn't proof of something not existing. Where Antifa discharging firearms at peaceful protesters? Or was that the neo-nazis?
      - jorvi 9y ago
        'Violence is okay as long as my kind of people do it'. I have nothing more to say to you.
        orf 9y ago
        No where did I say or imply that. No violence is okay. However classing the Antifa bogeyman in the same league as the group that fired guns into protesters and ran down people in a car does a massive disservice to yourself and your country.
        jorvi 9y ago
        Okay, and Antifa have seriously hurt multiple police offers. I seriously don't get how you can ham on the alt-right but defend Antifa, they're both fringe groups that shit over society's rules.
        orf 9y ago
        See anigbrowl's comment below for a well thought out response. I'm also not defending Antifa, I'm commenting on your equivalence between the two groups. Sure, in the broadest of strokes they are the same, but so are all criminals. But one would not say a shoplifter is the same as a murderer. > I seriously don't get how you can ham on the murderers but defend shoplifters, they're both fringe groups that shit over society's rules.
  - wyager 9y ago
    You're right, they have not done that particular, very specific, arbitrarily chosen thing. What is your point?
- anigbrowl 9y ago
  Having abundant first-hand experience of such events, I don't think your comment has anything to do with reality either. Poor as the quality of the coverage by the professional news media is, that by the amateur news media is just as bad or worse - framed and edited for maximum sensation with no attempt at fact-checking. Yes, there has been some violence from the anti-fascist side, such as Eric Clanton being hit with a bicycle lock. But you are overlooking the fact that fight-wing activists have initiated more and more deadly violence in similar contexts: a stabbing at a rally in Sacramento last year; a shooting Washington state earlier this year; and of course the deliberate driving of a car into a crowd at Charlotteville a couple of weeks ago. Screenshots from Discord suggest that particular tactic was discussed in advance by RW activists. I don't want to go on a Gish gallop or we'd be here all day, but I'd also encourage you to reflect on the fact that while Antifa supporters endorse the idea of punching nazis, popular figures with a public following on the far right have publicly and formally expressed the desire for civil war and even genocide. It's not possible to have a reasonable discussion without addressing that dichotomy.