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After governance breakdown, Node.js leaders fight for its survival

fgjjgutjvnu 9y ago
Think twice before adding a Code of Conduct to your project, company or conference. It seems innocent, but it means handing power over to the SJWs. Adding a code of conduct is already an alienating statement of distrust to your clients and colleagues. The basic assumption should be that people behave decently, assholes can be eliminated on an individual basis.
tekacs 9y ago
> The resignations followed a single event -- a vote that failed to remove a former director, a longstanding member of the community, from the leadership group. This post (without taking sides, I haven't even read his post yet) is that individual's defence of himself, which doesn't appear to be linked from this post: https://medium.com/@rvagg/the-truth-about-rod-vagg-f063f6a53557 https://medium.com/@rvagg/the-truth-about-rod-vagg-f063f6a53...
- bitL 9y ago
  This is pure fun: "Some time ago I received notification via email that there are complaints against me. No details were provided and I was informed that I would neither receive those details or be involved in the whatever process was to take place. Further, TSC members were not allowed to speak to me directly about these matters, including my work colleagues also on the TSC."
- tekacs 9y ago
  The canonical source [1] on the Node side seems to have been fully redacted at this time, so here's the post in the community forum where people are discussing the issue [2]. Once again not taking sides (although this article seems to have dropped off the homepage). [1]: https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/310 https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/310 [2]: https://github.com/nodejs/community-committee/issues/111 https://github.com/nodejs/community-committee/issues/111
exikyut 9y ago
Where can I find a list or overview reference for the events that happened? I'm completely out of the loop as I don't use Node.js at all. Also, are there backup(s) anywhere for the "Many [...] complaints, since removed from the committee's pages"?
StavrosK 9y ago
Can someone explain what happened? The article did a very poor job at it (or, at least, I didn't understand it), as it seemed to contradict itself or not shed enough light on things. What did Vagg actually do? Why did other members leave?
- fgjjgutjvnu 9y ago
  I've heard he refused to use gender neutral pronouns.
  - styfle 9y ago
    Where did you hear this? Is there a source?
    - fgjjgutjvnu 9y ago
      Could even have been Hacker News, when the same question was asked. Or maybe Twitter. I must admit I don't remember exactly. It is just what I said: "I heard" - no more, no less. If I don't provide sources, and the accusers don't provide sources, who should we believe?
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  - mcphage 9y ago
    My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw rvagg pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
  - ocfx 9y ago
    He posted an article that argued against bringing morality of the masses into code. It also argued that great thinkers over the course of history would have their work marginalized or not find a platform to voice it had this type of thinking been around in academia at the time. It was essentially in support/a reaction to James Damore
bitL 9y ago
Another project bites the dust. Let the game of thrones commence!
k__ 9y ago
Who profits from this? I mean this seems like a campaign to crush the node leadership, someone wants to get power over node, but who?
- fgjjgutjvnu 9y ago
  SJWs. And let me say good bye, because I guess this comment will get me banned.
- _Marak_ 9y ago
  NPM wouldn't mind.
  - k__ 9y ago
    Could you elaborate?
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adjkant 9y ago
> "What did Vagg actually do?" The fact that we can't get any answer on this beyond Vagg's side is frustrating. From reading his side, it all seems incredibly minor stuff that would in no way need to end with a leadership change. Can someone in the Node.js community enumerate the complaints fully, here or in some public place?
falcolas 9y ago
So - and please forgive the tone - when they couldn't get their way by the rules they put in place, they decided to pick up their toys and go home?
- defkev 9y ago
  Look up the "man" and "woman" who leave and you start seeing a pattern.
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Think twice before adding a Code of Conduct to your project, company or conference. It seems innocent, but it means handing power over to the SJWs. Adding a code of conduct is already an alienating statement of distrust to your clients and colleagues. The basic assumption should be that people behave decently, assholes can be eliminated on an individual basis.

tekacs 9y ago

> The resignations followed a single event -- a vote that failed to remove a former director, a longstanding member of the community, from the leadership group. This post (without taking sides, I haven't even read his post yet) is that individual's defence of himself, which doesn't appear to be linked from this post: https://medium.com/@rvagg/the-truth-about-rod-vagg-f063f6a53557 https://medium.com/@rvagg/the-truth-about-rod-vagg-f063f6a53...

bitL 9y ago
This is pure fun: "Some time ago I received notification via email that there are complaints against me. No details were provided and I was informed that I would neither receive those details or be involved in the whatever process was to take place. Further, TSC members were not allowed to speak to me directly about these matters, including my work colleagues also on the TSC."
tekacs 9y ago
The canonical source [1] on the Node side seems to have been fully redacted at this time, so here's the post in the community forum where people are discussing the issue [2]. Once again not taking sides (although this article seems to have dropped off the homepage). [1]: https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/310 https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/310 [2]: https://github.com/nodejs/community-committee/issues/111 https://github.com/nodejs/community-committee/issues/111

exikyut 9y ago

Where can I find a list or overview reference for the events that happened? I'm completely out of the loop as I don't use Node.js at all. Also, are there backup(s) anywhere for the "Many [...] complaints, since removed from the committee's pages"?

StavrosK 9y ago

Can someone explain what happened? The article did a very poor job at it (or, at least, I didn't understand it), as it seemed to contradict itself or not shed enough light on things. What did Vagg actually do? Why did other members leave?

fgjjgutjvnu 9y ago
I've heard he refused to use gender neutral pronouns.
- styfle 9y ago
  Where did you hear this? Is there a source?
  - fgjjgutjvnu 9y ago
    Could even have been Hacker News, when the same question was asked. Or maybe Twitter. I must admit I don't remember exactly. It is just what I said: "I heard" - no more, no less. If I don't provide sources, and the accusers don't provide sources, who should we believe?
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- mcphage 9y ago
  My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw rvagg pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
- ocfx 9y ago
  He posted an article that argued against bringing morality of the masses into code. It also argued that great thinkers over the course of history would have their work marginalized or not find a platform to voice it had this type of thinking been around in academia at the time. It was essentially in support/a reaction to James Damore

bitL 9y ago

Another project bites the dust. Let the game of thrones commence!

k__ 9y ago

Who profits from this? I mean this seems like a campaign to crush the node leadership, someone wants to get power over node, but who?

fgjjgutjvnu 9y ago
SJWs. And let me say good bye, because I guess this comment will get me banned.
_Marak_ 9y ago
NPM wouldn't mind.
- k__ 9y ago
  Could you elaborate?

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adjkant 9y ago

> "What did Vagg actually do?" The fact that we can't get any answer on this beyond Vagg's side is frustrating. From reading his side, it all seems incredibly minor stuff that would in no way need to end with a leadership change. Can someone in the Node.js community enumerate the complaints fully, here or in some public place?

falcolas 9y ago

So - and please forgive the tone - when they couldn't get their way by the rules they put in place, they decided to pick up their toys and go home?

defkev 9y ago
Look up the "man" and "woman" who leave and you start seeing a pattern.

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