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I just saw the movie Hidden Figures which is based on the incredible achievements of Katherine Johnson, Dorothy Vaughan and Mary Jackson. I was happily surprise

I just saw the movie Hidden Figures which is based on the incredible achievements of Katherine Johnson, Dorothy Vaughan and Mary Jackson. I was happily surprised to see this on HN. If you haven’t seen it, please do. It was an eye opener for me as an non-American to see how normalized racism was in the 1960’s even at places like NASA where one might assume science trumps ignorance.

andreasklinger 9y ago
Fully agree. Considered this movie an eye opener as well - highly recommend to those who haven't seen it yet. Since the movie, when people speak of "not lowering the bar" i have to think about how much people like her (and many others) had/have to run and jump uphill to even get to the bar.
rjdagost 9y ago
That was an agenda-driven movie. All of the racist characters featured in that film and nearly all of the racist scenarios were fabricated out of whole cloth. There was definitely institutionalized racism at NASA in those days, but Katherine Johnson herself said that she didn't really feel it there. The film irritated me because it made it seem like the few women depicted were the ones responsible for all calculations, when in reality there were hundreds of such people.
- skybrian 9y ago
  This is unfortunately typical for movies that are "based on a true story" (that is, not a documentary). The book is much better: more accurate and more historical context. (I do wish it geeked out more, but you do get a somewhat better idea of the science involved.)
- throwawayknecht 9y ago
  Most if not all of the discriminatory events in the film happened, just not in the same order or to exactly the same people. The major scenes that were made up whole-cloth were the ones with white people being anti-racist. You're twisting Johnson's words to say she didn't feel it; she was able to use a "whites-only" bathroom and didn't experience as much direct personal animus from her co-workers. That doesn't mean she didn't feel it, only that it didn't take certain forms. But twisting that is also to miss the entire point of highlighting this moment in history: She was great, but not singular - she succeeded in large part because she had a tremendously lucky break others were denied. Much like a poor person winning the lottery doesn't create upward economic mobility, a black women getting a good job doesn't end racism. (I already wrote about this at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14482955 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14482955 and I suspect there is some concerted effort to parrot talking points against the film as I've seen similar bizarre comments on many sites.)
  - skybrian 9y ago
    I don't think calling these talking points is all that helpful. To put this in a larger context: most historical films are not very accurate and will irritate people who care (for whatever reason) about historical accuracy. Any movie that reaches people will generate a similar discussion about what really happened. But that's how movies work. You just have to let it go. If the movie makes you curious about what really happened, read the book.
    - throwawayknecht 9y ago
      The concrete claim by the parent is "nearly all of the racist scenarios were fabricated out of whole cloth." It's not a "discussion of what really happened," it's a flat-out attempt to minimize well-documented racist behavior and systems. This is as if someone watching a Ken Burns documentary complained the narrators were not the true primary source authors.
      - skybrian 9y ago
        Agreed that "fabricated out of the whole cloth" is an exaggeration. Rather than go into it further, I think it's better to encourage people to read history and learn stuff than it is to get into the usual culture war about this.

andreasklinger 9y ago

Fully agree. Considered this movie an eye opener as well - highly recommend to those who haven't seen it yet. Since the movie, when people speak of "not lowering the bar" i have to think about how much people like her (and many others) had/have to run and jump uphill to even get to the bar.

rjdagost 9y ago

That was an agenda-driven movie. All of the racist characters featured in that film and nearly all of the racist scenarios were fabricated out of whole cloth. There was definitely institutionalized racism at NASA in those days, but Katherine Johnson herself said that she didn't really feel it there. The film irritated me because it made it seem like the few women depicted were the ones responsible for all calculations, when in reality there were hundreds of such people.

skybrian 9y ago
This is unfortunately typical for movies that are "based on a true story" (that is, not a documentary). The book is much better: more accurate and more historical context. (I do wish it geeked out more, but you do get a somewhat better idea of the science involved.)
throwawayknecht 9y ago
Most if not all of the discriminatory events in the film happened, just not in the same order or to exactly the same people. The major scenes that were made up whole-cloth were the ones with white people being anti-racist. You're twisting Johnson's words to say she didn't feel it; she was able to use a "whites-only" bathroom and didn't experience as much direct personal animus from her co-workers. That doesn't mean she didn't feel it, only that it didn't take certain forms. But twisting that is also to miss the entire point of highlighting this moment in history: She was great, but not singular - she succeeded in large part because she had a tremendously lucky break others were denied. Much like a poor person winning the lottery doesn't create upward economic mobility, a black women getting a good job doesn't end racism. (I already wrote about this at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14482955 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14482955 and I suspect there is some concerted effort to parrot talking points against the film as I've seen similar bizarre comments on many sites.)
- skybrian 9y ago
  I don't think calling these talking points is all that helpful. To put this in a larger context: most historical films are not very accurate and will irritate people who care (for whatever reason) about historical accuracy. Any movie that reaches people will generate a similar discussion about what really happened. But that's how movies work. You just have to let it go. If the movie makes you curious about what really happened, read the book.
  - throwawayknecht 9y ago
    The concrete claim by the parent is "nearly all of the racist scenarios were fabricated out of whole cloth." It's not a "discussion of what really happened," it's a flat-out attempt to minimize well-documented racist behavior and systems. This is as if someone watching a Ken Burns documentary complained the narrators were not the true primary source authors.
    - skybrian 9y ago
      Agreed that "fabricated out of the whole cloth" is an exaggeration. Rather than go into it further, I think it's better to encourage people to read history and learn stuff than it is to get into the usual culture war about this.