As the guidelines request, please don't use uppercase for emphasis on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsgui

As the guidelines request, please don't use uppercase for emphasis on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html To everyone in this thread: This entire topic is incredibly contentious and as such requires even more care and benefit of the doubt when engaging in discussion. Please ask yourself, what is your goal in discussion here? To understand the others you're talking with? To express your opinion? To convince the "other side"? If you're not here for useful, constructive, civil, and respectful discussion, please just refrain from commenting. Shouting louder than every one else is not helpful, and as the mods repeatedly point out, HN is not the place for ideological flamewars.