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It like saying you have to eat only at Mcdonald's and its unhealthy for you. Everyone would like to complain about that, unless there is no food and you're star
by gamechangr 9y ago
It like saying you have to eat only at Mcdonald's and its unhealthy for you. Everyone would like to complain about that, unless there is no food and you're starving...then McDonald's seems like a more reasonable solution.
- Cyph0n 9y agoThe biggest problem I see with this kind of argument is that once you enable the explicit and outright marginalization of a particular group, it becomes essentially impossible to ensure that it stays limited to said group. See: "First they came...". There are two other problems with this mindset. The first is that objectively quantifying the benefit vs. downside of marginalizing a particular group doesn't happen. Instead, feelings and opinions seep in -- a fear of the "other", if you will. The second is that, by marginalizing a group, you more often that not end up making your problem worse. The "other way" is to try to understand the root causes behind such attacks, and work with the communities that are closest; in this case, Muslim communities around America. It's quite known by now that American Muslims are very willing to cooperate with authorities when the need arises.
- gamechangr 9y agoIt's not that confusing. We don't see radical Buddhist bombing things?
- Cyph0n 9y agoYou are missing the point entirely. It's not about the "why", but rather the precedent it sets. > We DON"T have Radical Christians, Radical Hindus, Radicial Buddhist trying to blow up civilians. Ehh there are in fact radical Christians who kill innocents in the US. Radical Hindus and Buddhists also exist, but in other countries. > It does mean however that more specific attention should be paid to muslims, as they are most likely to contain the threat. So I assume you think it's OK to profile people of other religions and/or ethnicities (e.g., African Americans)?
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- gamechangr 9y ago" there are in FACT radical christians who kill innocents in the Us?" Where? That doesn't sound credible, but let me give you the benefit of the doubt. Don't get 1 nut job...show me what you mean?
- Cyph0n 9y ago> Don't get 1 nut job...show me what you mean? I would argue that all terrorists are nutjobs, so... Look up the history of attacks on abortion clinics.
- gamechangr 9y agohttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/29/us/30abortion-clinic-violence.html?mcubz=3 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/29/us/30abortion... It's not representative - only 9 people are mentioned. edit: I corrected the caps...thank you. I didn't know.
- Cyph0n 9y agoWhat are you talking about? The link you added supports my claim: there are in fact radical Christian terrorist attacks in the US.
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- grzm 9y agoAs the guidelines request, please don't use uppercase for emphasis on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html To everyone in this thread: This entire topic is incredibly contentious and as such requires even more care and benefit of the doubt when engaging in discussion. Please ask yourself, what is your goal in discussion here? To understand the others you're talking with? To express your opinion? To convince the "other side"? If you're not here for useful, constructive, civil, and respectful discussion, please just refrain from commenting. Shouting louder than every one else is not helpful, and as the mods repeatedly point out, HN is not the place for ideological flamewars.
- foota 9y agoWhat about the guy that plowed through a crowd of protesters last week?
- Fgapd 9y agoCompletely different level to someone who plows through people and then attacks others with machetes.
- DanBC 9y agoYes we do. Look up the 969 movement, or Bodu Bala Sena, or the Democratic Karen Buddhist Army.