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Kids should have absolutely no expectation of privacy.

by sweep4r 9y ago

saagarjha 9y ago
Why, and from whom? Their parents? Their school? Corporations?
- sweep4r 9y ago
  Their parents, and their school during class hours.
- alacombe 9y ago
  I'd argue, at foremost, from their parents. [and yes, I was very aware of this fact to the extent that my first real-world application of programming was to automate obfuscate my browsing history as a teenager.]
ourmandave 9y ago
You forgot the sarcasm /s.
stephengillie 9y ago
Kids are human people. Why should some of us have no expectation of privacy, while others do?
- alacombe 9y ago
  I would argue that kids are more proto-human being than fully fledged human being, which is why they need education to start with. Also, why, if they are human being, are they subjected to lesser criminal penalties than "adults" ?
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  - JCharante 9y ago
    > Also, why, if they are human being, are they subjected to lesser criminal penalties than "adults" ? Yeah that's something that we really need to fix, although aren't there many cases of minors being charged as adults?
    - alacombe 9y ago
      Given the unpopularity of my other comments, I don't think trialling children as adults will be popular either.
jasonkostempski 9y ago
Are you saying they shouldn't trust anyone to protect their privacy, that I can agree with, or that they don't have a right to it? I've been teaching my kid he has a right to privacy since the day he asked about having a baby monitor in his room. I told him why it's there, how to turn it off and that we'll take it out completely if he ever wants it gone. If his school forced this on him, I'd explain to him why not to carry it every where he goes and why he should never use it for personal communication.
QAPereo 9y ago
They're going to disagree, and frankly in this arena, they're far better equipped than most of the people doing the spying. The worst kind of tyrant is an ineffective one.
analog31 9y ago
I've tried to educate my kids about this. I've told them since an early age, that there is no privacy in any interaction with the school: Even a well meaning attempt to protect their information, in the absence of sufficient expertise, is futile. Famous hacks and releases of private information, reported in the news, are good teachable moments. My advice is that they can still get good grades while sticking with "safe" opinions and topics of discussion. This is also good preparation for corporate life.
- DataWorker 9y ago
  It's basically the same as a corporate environment but with lower stakes and less funding to ensure competency. Telling children they are entitled to privacy is setting them up for a world that will surely disappoint them.
LambdaComplex 9y ago
You've been downvoted a little; My guess is that people are reading your post as "Kids don't deserve privacy" But that's not what you actually said, and I'm not so sure that it's what you actually meant. Could you elaborate a bit?
- alacombe 9y ago
  The downvote might be related to the current pedestal our society currently place "kids" on, as harmless pure creatures adults shall bow to.
DanBC 9y ago
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CRC.aspx http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CRC.aspx > Article 16 > 1. No child shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his or her privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to unlawful attacks on his or her honour and reputation. > 2. The child has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Kids should have absolutely no expectation of privacy.

saagarjha 9y ago

Why, and from whom? Their parents? Their school? Corporations?

sweep4r 9y ago
Their parents, and their school during class hours.
alacombe 9y ago
I'd argue, at foremost, from their parents. [and yes, I was very aware of this fact to the extent that my first real-world application of programming was to automate obfuscate my browsing history as a teenager.]

ourmandave 9y ago

You forgot the sarcasm /s.

stephengillie 9y ago

Kids are human people. Why should some of us have no expectation of privacy, while others do?

alacombe 9y ago
I would argue that kids are more proto-human being than fully fledged human being, which is why they need education to start with. Also, why, if they are human being, are they subjected to lesser criminal penalties than "adults" ?
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- JCharante 9y ago
  > Also, why, if they are human being, are they subjected to lesser criminal penalties than "adults" ? Yeah that's something that we really need to fix, although aren't there many cases of minors being charged as adults?
  - alacombe 9y ago
    Given the unpopularity of my other comments, I don't think trialling children as adults will be popular either.

jasonkostempski 9y ago

Are you saying they shouldn't trust anyone to protect their privacy, that I can agree with, or that they don't have a right to it? I've been teaching my kid he has a right to privacy since the day he asked about having a baby monitor in his room. I told him why it's there, how to turn it off and that we'll take it out completely if he ever wants it gone. If his school forced this on him, I'd explain to him why not to carry it every where he goes and why he should never use it for personal communication.

QAPereo 9y ago

They're going to disagree, and frankly in this arena, they're far better equipped than most of the people doing the spying. The worst kind of tyrant is an ineffective one.

analog31 9y ago

I've tried to educate my kids about this. I've told them since an early age, that there is no privacy in any interaction with the school: Even a well meaning attempt to protect their information, in the absence of sufficient expertise, is futile. Famous hacks and releases of private information, reported in the news, are good teachable moments. My advice is that they can still get good grades while sticking with "safe" opinions and topics of discussion. This is also good preparation for corporate life.

DataWorker 9y ago
It's basically the same as a corporate environment but with lower stakes and less funding to ensure competency. Telling children they are entitled to privacy is setting them up for a world that will surely disappoint them.

LambdaComplex 9y ago

You've been downvoted a little; My guess is that people are reading your post as "Kids don't deserve privacy" But that's not what you actually said, and I'm not so sure that it's what you actually meant. Could you elaborate a bit?

alacombe 9y ago
The downvote might be related to the current pedestal our society currently place "kids" on, as harmless pure creatures adults shall bow to.

DanBC 9y ago

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CRC.aspx http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CRC.aspx > Article 16 > 1. No child shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his or her privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to unlawful attacks on his or her honour and reputation. > 2. The child has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.