Agreed. Personally, I really like SQL and whenever possible I'm going as much straight SQL skipping strange abstraction in ORM layers. Performance wise too, no

Agreed. Personally, I really like SQL and whenever possible I'm going as much straight SQL skipping strange abstraction in ORM layers. Performance wise too, nothing beats hand-optimizing queries rather than hoping that the ORM of your choice doesn't decide that the particular method of retrieving the total value of a specific order will need one query per line item plus manually calculating the total.