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Honestly, I think libraries are great, if they improve on existing solutions and actually bring something new. Don't try and stop innovation just for the sake o

by kbr 9y ago

Honestly, I think libraries are great, if they improve on existing solutions and actually bring something new. Don't try and stop innovation just for the sake of having to make less decisions. Moon's purpose is to provide an API similar to Vue, while being less than half of the size, and having improved performance in most cases. Why try and stop something new without giving any valid criticism? If we all have a mindset like this, the web isn't going to ever improve.

sAbakumoff 9y ago
Hey it's just a joke, take it easy. I didn't mean to discourage the work of OP in any way.
agumonkey 9y ago
I guess that's where a bit of "static type" would make it easier. Different framework could explicitely back themselves against an API. With js, it's all implicit.
zzalpha 9y ago
Well, to be a bit crotchety for a moment: Copying someone else's idea but doing it a little smaller or faster isn't exactly revolutionary. At this point, UI libraries are turning into the JS equivalent of programming languages (everyone is writing one, and few of them are that interesting). If you really want to improve the web, we're gonna need to think a bigger than this...
- kbr 9y ago
  It might not be revolutionary, but it _is_ an improvement. I just don't like when people say they hate something because they don't want to make decisions. I'd rather have feedback than someone ranting about "just another Javascript framework". Moon has the core features of Vue, but it's started going in a different direction. I'd love any feedback and to hear your thoughts :)
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  - zzalpha 9y ago
    Well, so first of all, it wasn't a rant, it was a joke and a bit of a jab, and you gotta admit these days there's good reason for people to be... uhh... skeptical about yet-another-JS-library. Second, that reaction isn't about not wanting to "make decisions"... that simplifies a rather complex set of thoughts and beliefs that are driven by the often-comical Javascript world, which appears to favour extreme complexity, constant churn and obsolescence, a near-complete absence of standards or best practices, duplication of effort, and fragmentation. Of course, the flipside of this is rapid evolution, competition in a marketplace of ideas, etc, etc. Third, if you don't want people to see this effort as yet-another-UI-framework, it'd probably be a good idea to position the project as something other than "everyone else's good ideas, but smaller and faster" (lightly paraphrasing from the project landing page)!
    - kbr 9y ago
      Yeah, I was just saying my thoughts against the hate towards new JS frameworks in general. While this reaction was a joke, there are tons of people that would have been ranting about another Javascript framework. I am by no means trying to force people to use Moon. Instead, I am trying to show something that you might want to consider if you use and like Vue, as it is smaller and faster. I agree I might need to reposition this project and state a little more. But I've already clarified why I made this in an article I wrote[1]. [1] https://hackernoon.com/introducing-moon-1d44a99635f0 https://hackernoon.com/introducing-moon-1d44a99635f0
      - zzalpha 9y ago
        Nice little write-up! Thanks! And, I should just point out: the original commenter, and myself, may have our... let's call it lack of patience with the JS community. But don't be discouraged by a little bitterness... as you mention in your blog post, there's definitely javascript library fatigue out there, and for good reason. But if the work is good, it'll speak for itself! Everything else is just marketing, and if you're not interested in pushing the project toward broader adoption, just keep on keeping on! Either people will use it or they won't, and either way you'll have learned a lot along the way, and there's nothing wrong with that.
coob 9y ago
I agree wholeheartedly. This is demonstrably better than what already exists in the ways mentioned. I don't understand the 'shit on something new because there are similar things' mentality. It is the antithesis of the hacker spirit.

by kbr 9y ago

sAbakumoff 9y ago

Hey it's just a joke, take it easy. I didn't mean to discourage the work of OP in any way.

agumonkey 9y ago

I guess that's where a bit of "static type" would make it easier. Different framework could explicitely back themselves against an API. With js, it's all implicit.

zzalpha 9y ago

Well, to be a bit crotchety for a moment: Copying someone else's idea but doing it a little smaller or faster isn't exactly revolutionary. At this point, UI libraries are turning into the JS equivalent of programming languages (everyone is writing one, and few of them are that interesting). If you really want to improve the web, we're gonna need to think a bigger than this...

kbr 9y ago
It might not be revolutionary, but it _is_ an improvement. I just don't like when people say they hate something because they don't want to make decisions. I'd rather have feedback than someone ranting about "just another Javascript framework". Moon has the core features of Vue, but it's started going in a different direction. I'd love any feedback and to hear your thoughts :)
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- zzalpha 9y ago
  Well, so first of all, it wasn't a rant, it was a joke and a bit of a jab, and you gotta admit these days there's good reason for people to be... uhh... skeptical about yet-another-JS-library. Second, that reaction isn't about not wanting to "make decisions"... that simplifies a rather complex set of thoughts and beliefs that are driven by the often-comical Javascript world, which appears to favour extreme complexity, constant churn and obsolescence, a near-complete absence of standards or best practices, duplication of effort, and fragmentation. Of course, the flipside of this is rapid evolution, competition in a marketplace of ideas, etc, etc. Third, if you don't want people to see this effort as yet-another-UI-framework, it'd probably be a good idea to position the project as something other than "everyone else's good ideas, but smaller and faster" (lightly paraphrasing from the project landing page)!
  - kbr 9y ago
    Yeah, I was just saying my thoughts against the hate towards new JS frameworks in general. While this reaction was a joke, there are tons of people that would have been ranting about another Javascript framework. I am by no means trying to force people to use Moon. Instead, I am trying to show something that you might want to consider if you use and like Vue, as it is smaller and faster. I agree I might need to reposition this project and state a little more. But I've already clarified why I made this in an article I wrote[1]. [1] https://hackernoon.com/introducing-moon-1d44a99635f0 https://hackernoon.com/introducing-moon-1d44a99635f0
    - zzalpha 9y ago
      Nice little write-up! Thanks! And, I should just point out: the original commenter, and myself, may have our... let's call it lack of patience with the JS community. But don't be discouraged by a little bitterness... as you mention in your blog post, there's definitely javascript library fatigue out there, and for good reason. But if the work is good, it'll speak for itself! Everything else is just marketing, and if you're not interested in pushing the project toward broader adoption, just keep on keeping on! Either people will use it or they won't, and either way you'll have learned a lot along the way, and there's nothing wrong with that.

coob 9y ago

I agree wholeheartedly. This is demonstrably better than what already exists in the ways mentioned. I don't understand the 'shit on something new because there are similar things' mentality. It is the antithesis of the hacker spirit.