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What is the most ghetto part of SF? Like if you had absolutely no fear of getting stabbed by a crackhead girlfriend and your kidneys being harvested if you roll

by jeb 16y ago

What is the most ghetto part of SF? Like if you had absolutely no fear of getting stabbed by a crackhead girlfriend and your kidneys being harvested if you roll down your windows, where would you live? Also, does one need to show some type of credit report or can one just come in with a bunch of cash and wave it around and get a place?

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zephjc 16y ago
The Tenderloin I guess, and yeah, most places will probably need a credit check, even the hippie coops.
- jeb 16y ago
  So how do foreigners get places to stay at?
  - gojomo 16y ago
    Proof of income and strong references, I'd guess, until they have a year or two of domestic credit history.
    - hugh3 16y ago
      I've never had problems renting a place without a credit history.
      - shaddi 16y ago
        I was apartment hunting in Berkeley a few weeks ago and only one of the eight places I looked at wanted to do a credit check.
      - gojomo 16y ago
        What part of the country? (Did the locale have rent control?) In any of the cases, were you an overseas immigrant without a rental history? What sort of references did they ask for, and did they verify income in any way? Are you sure they didn't run a credit report anyway (even if there was no history of borrowing on it)? In SF, they tend to ask for a copy of your credit report or enough info (social security number) to run one themselves. And they ask more aggressively when the market is tight -- for example, in 2000, it was wise to bring a printed credit report to the first showing of a vacancy, so your application could be considered in the batch of 10+ people that were applying on the spot. It's not nearly so tight right now.
        hugh3 16y ago
        What part of the country? (Did the locale have rent control?) In any of the cases, were you an overseas immigrant without a rental history? Sacramento and the East Bay. No rent control. I was only an overseas immigrant without a rental history the first time. What sort of references did they ask for, and did they verify income in any way? I think the most recent one did call my boss to verify my income. Are you sure they didn't run a credit report anyway (even if there was no history of borrowing on it)? They always run credit reports, even though I tell them "It'll come back blank". The last one did express some surprise that I still had a blank credit report after three years in the US, but nobody ever thought I was a bad risk. That was in the East Bay, not in the city itself. Still, I have plenty of friends who have got straight off flights from overseas and rented apartments in San Francisco proper with no dramas. As long as you have a steady job and an adequate income I don't think they care about a blank credit report, just as long as you don't have a bad credit report.
gojomo 16y ago
You may find these maps helpful: http://dougmccune.com/blog/2010/06/05/if-san-francisco-crime-was-elevation/ http://dougmccune.com/blog/2010/06/05/if-san-francisco-crime... http://www.sfgate.com/maps/sfhomicides/ http://www.sfgate.com/maps/sfhomicides/
FlemishBeeCycle 16y ago
Here's a fun visualization: http://dougmccune.com/blog/2010/06/05/if-san-francisco-crime-was-elevation/ http://dougmccune.com/blog/2010/06/05/if-san-francisco-crime...
- nhebb 16y ago
  Interesting. Other than auto thefts it looks like you can draw a radius around the prostitution hubs to identify the high density areas for the other crimes.
defen 16y ago
Bayview-Hunters Point is also pretty rough, but you can't beat the Tenderloin for the official San Francisco experience.
pz 16y ago
tenderloin probably has the highest density of crackheads. if you want to get your kidneys harvested i'd go to chinatown or the sunset because i just assume that the chinese are the only ones sophisticated enough to steal and then sell organs. (crackheads just don't have the resources to pull something like that off) i lived in the tenderloin for a year and some change and i kind of liked it. there's good night life on polk street and good cheap eats there. i had four indian restaurants within a block of my apartment and could walk to the great american music hall or BART. but it takes a certain kind of person to live amongst that kind of drudgery for so long. if you want true danger, head down to bayview and hunters point. even the tenderloin has its share of wine bars and quaint coffee shops. the 'view is like another world.
- kolya3 16y ago
  I have met a seasoned cop who refuses to go into Hunter's point as hired security.
  - dillydally 16y ago
    Huh. I canvassed there during the 2008 election. I didn't even get funny looks, which has happened to me more than once when I went into the "wrong" neighborhood in Chicago. In fact, I once pulled over into a gas station only to have the attendant tell me I needed to get into my car and drive off. I've never once had an experience like that in SF.
    - sliverstorm 16y ago
      > In fact, I once pulled over into a gas station only to have the attendant tell me I needed to get into my car and drive off. How exactly does this prove it's a decent neighborhood again?
      - ryanwaggoner 16y ago
        I think he meant that happened in Chicago or elsewhere, not SF.
CitizenKane 16y ago
I live in St.Louis and usually end up in the SF area once or twice a year. To be completely honest, most of San Francisco feels safe in comparison to St.Louis although the number of homeless people and beggars seems to be higher there.
dillydally 16y ago
The Tenderloin is not that dangerous, contrary to what others here are saying. It has a very visible homeless population which makes people unaccustomed to that uneasy. East Palo Alto is probably more dangerous than the Tenderloin. The most dangerous parts of SF are Bayview / Hunter's Point and the eastern half of the western addition (near Jefferson Square Park). Within the last month, for example, there was a stabbing at Laguna and Fell (which is highly unusual) and a shooting around Laguna and Turk (less unusual). In 2007-2008 I believe the area around Jackson Square Park wad THE most dangerous place in SF. This is juxtaposed with Hayes Valley immediately to the south, which is filled with lots of 20-something professionals. Edit: Why am I being down voted? Everything I said was accurate.
- sliverstorm 16y ago
  > In 2007-2008 I believe the area around Jackson Square Park wad THE most dangerous place in SF. >This is juxtaposed with Hayes Valley immediately to the south, which is filled with lots of 20-something professionals. Accurate? Orly. Let me tell you, 20-something professionals are a dangerous f'in lot. Stab ya fer yer VC soon as lookit ya.
  - dillydally 16y ago
    Never trust a person in skinny jeans, I say.
starkfist 16y ago
The most ghetto parts of SF are Hunter's Point and Bayview. It is hard to end up in those neighborhoods unless you have a reason to go there (maybe to buy some discount siding?) so I wouldn't worry about them. If you are looking to actually live in the hood, that is where to go. Now if you have to commute to your yuppie startup job from these places, it's going to suck, because the public transit to these areas sucks. The tenderloin is the most ghetto in the middle of the city. Personally I feel the danger in this area is overrated but it definitely seems sketchy. The 2nd sketchiest seeming part of the city is 6th and Market. It's like a zombie movie after midnight. In the city I had more trouble from roving bands of drunks looking for fights in North Beach than I have from either crazy people or muggers. I have been mugged in both Oakland and Berkeley near the Ashby stop. There are many more spaces where you can be walking around in the dark with nobody around in the East Bay. You generally need a credit report but the last 2 apartments I rented in SF, the landlord did not ask for one. If it is being rented "by owner" it is up in the air. If it is a management company they will usually want a credit report. If you have no credit report (like, you're from overseas) you can often get by if you pay for a number of months up front.
- gruseom 16y ago
  The 2nd sketchiest seeming part of the city is 6th and Market. It's like a zombie movie after midnight. True. And it also has Tu Lan, Julia Childs' favorite San Francisco restaurant, as an old greasy newspaper clipping in the window used to proudly substantiate.

by jeb 16y ago

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zephjc 16y ago

The Tenderloin I guess, and yeah, most places will probably need a credit check, even the hippie coops.

jeb 16y ago
So how do foreigners get places to stay at?
- gojomo 16y ago
  Proof of income and strong references, I'd guess, until they have a year or two of domestic credit history.
  - hugh3 16y ago
    I've never had problems renting a place without a credit history.
    - shaddi 16y ago
      I was apartment hunting in Berkeley a few weeks ago and only one of the eight places I looked at wanted to do a credit check.
    - gojomo 16y ago
      What part of the country? (Did the locale have rent control?) In any of the cases, were you an overseas immigrant without a rental history? What sort of references did they ask for, and did they verify income in any way? Are you sure they didn't run a credit report anyway (even if there was no history of borrowing on it)? In SF, they tend to ask for a copy of your credit report or enough info (social security number) to run one themselves. And they ask more aggressively when the market is tight -- for example, in 2000, it was wise to bring a printed credit report to the first showing of a vacancy, so your application could be considered in the batch of 10+ people that were applying on the spot. It's not nearly so tight right now.
      - hugh3 16y ago
        What part of the country? (Did the locale have rent control?) In any of the cases, were you an overseas immigrant without a rental history? Sacramento and the East Bay. No rent control. I was only an overseas immigrant without a rental history the first time. What sort of references did they ask for, and did they verify income in any way? I think the most recent one did call my boss to verify my income. Are you sure they didn't run a credit report anyway (even if there was no history of borrowing on it)? They always run credit reports, even though I tell them "It'll come back blank". The last one did express some surprise that I still had a blank credit report after three years in the US, but nobody ever thought I was a bad risk. That was in the East Bay, not in the city itself. Still, I have plenty of friends who have got straight off flights from overseas and rented apartments in San Francisco proper with no dramas. As long as you have a steady job and an adequate income I don't think they care about a blank credit report, just as long as you don't have a bad credit report.

gojomo 16y ago

You may find these maps helpful: http://dougmccune.com/blog/2010/06/05/if-san-francisco-crime-was-elevation/ http://dougmccune.com/blog/2010/06/05/if-san-francisco-crime... http://www.sfgate.com/maps/sfhomicides/ http://www.sfgate.com/maps/sfhomicides/

FlemishBeeCycle 16y ago

Here's a fun visualization: http://dougmccune.com/blog/2010/06/05/if-san-francisco-crime-was-elevation/ http://dougmccune.com/blog/2010/06/05/if-san-francisco-crime...

nhebb 16y ago
Interesting. Other than auto thefts it looks like you can draw a radius around the prostitution hubs to identify the high density areas for the other crimes.

defen 16y ago

Bayview-Hunters Point is also pretty rough, but you can't beat the Tenderloin for the official San Francisco experience.

pz 16y ago

tenderloin probably has the highest density of crackheads. if you want to get your kidneys harvested i'd go to chinatown or the sunset because i just assume that the chinese are the only ones sophisticated enough to steal and then sell organs. (crackheads just don't have the resources to pull something like that off) i lived in the tenderloin for a year and some change and i kind of liked it. there's good night life on polk street and good cheap eats there. i had four indian restaurants within a block of my apartment and could walk to the great american music hall or BART. but it takes a certain kind of person to live amongst that kind of drudgery for so long. if you want true danger, head down to bayview and hunters point. even the tenderloin has its share of wine bars and quaint coffee shops. the 'view is like another world.

kolya3 16y ago
I have met a seasoned cop who refuses to go into Hunter's point as hired security.
- dillydally 16y ago
  Huh. I canvassed there during the 2008 election. I didn't even get funny looks, which has happened to me more than once when I went into the "wrong" neighborhood in Chicago. In fact, I once pulled over into a gas station only to have the attendant tell me I needed to get into my car and drive off. I've never once had an experience like that in SF.
  - sliverstorm 16y ago
    > In fact, I once pulled over into a gas station only to have the attendant tell me I needed to get into my car and drive off. How exactly does this prove it's a decent neighborhood again?
    - ryanwaggoner 16y ago
      I think he meant that happened in Chicago or elsewhere, not SF.

CitizenKane 16y ago

I live in St.Louis and usually end up in the SF area once or twice a year. To be completely honest, most of San Francisco feels safe in comparison to St.Louis although the number of homeless people and beggars seems to be higher there.

dillydally 16y ago

The Tenderloin is not that dangerous, contrary to what others here are saying. It has a very visible homeless population which makes people unaccustomed to that uneasy. East Palo Alto is probably more dangerous than the Tenderloin. The most dangerous parts of SF are Bayview / Hunter's Point and the eastern half of the western addition (near Jefferson Square Park). Within the last month, for example, there was a stabbing at Laguna and Fell (which is highly unusual) and a shooting around Laguna and Turk (less unusual). In 2007-2008 I believe the area around Jackson Square Park wad THE most dangerous place in SF. This is juxtaposed with Hayes Valley immediately to the south, which is filled with lots of 20-something professionals. Edit: Why am I being down voted? Everything I said was accurate.

sliverstorm 16y ago
> In 2007-2008 I believe the area around Jackson Square Park wad THE most dangerous place in SF. >This is juxtaposed with Hayes Valley immediately to the south, which is filled with lots of 20-something professionals. Accurate? Orly. Let me tell you, 20-something professionals are a dangerous f'in lot. Stab ya fer yer VC soon as lookit ya.
- dillydally 16y ago
  Never trust a person in skinny jeans, I say.

starkfist 16y ago

The most ghetto parts of SF are Hunter's Point and Bayview. It is hard to end up in those neighborhoods unless you have a reason to go there (maybe to buy some discount siding?) so I wouldn't worry about them. If you are looking to actually live in the hood, that is where to go. Now if you have to commute to your yuppie startup job from these places, it's going to suck, because the public transit to these areas sucks. The tenderloin is the most ghetto in the middle of the city. Personally I feel the danger in this area is overrated but it definitely seems sketchy. The 2nd sketchiest seeming part of the city is 6th and Market. It's like a zombie movie after midnight. In the city I had more trouble from roving bands of drunks looking for fights in North Beach than I have from either crazy people or muggers. I have been mugged in both Oakland and Berkeley near the Ashby stop. There are many more spaces where you can be walking around in the dark with nobody around in the East Bay. You generally need a credit report but the last 2 apartments I rented in SF, the landlord did not ask for one. If it is being rented "by owner" it is up in the air. If it is a management company they will usually want a credit report. If you have no credit report (like, you're from overseas) you can often get by if you pay for a number of months up front.

gruseom 16y ago
The 2nd sketchiest seeming part of the city is 6th and Market. It's like a zombie movie after midnight. True. And it also has Tu Lan, Julia Childs' favorite San Francisco restaurant, as an old greasy newspaper clipping in the window used to proudly substantiate.