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I don't believe that there really are all of these developers around who lack knowledge of SQL. I'm not sure why you don't believe that, but as someone th

I don't believe that there really are all of these developers around who lack knowledge of SQL. I'm not sure why you don't believe that, but as someone that has done development at a variety of companies: trust me, there are plenty of those. They may even be reasonable at PHP or Java, but they couldn't subquery their way out of a paper bag. At one place, the CTO, formerly main PHP/MySQL developer, didn't know what an index was. You can figure out the rest ;)

JoelMcCracken 16y ago
Sorry; I'm not saying that all developers know SQL. I'm saying that the ones that we are all talking about know, or are competent enough to quickly know, SQL. To me, the people that you are talking about have no context in the discussion in the least. They would be the last to jump on the NoSQL bandwagon because they don't really care, for example. The universe of discourse only includes the devs who care, e.g. the people who are creating ORMs, using ORMs, using NoSQL, etc, not _all_ developers. I kinda assumed that was implied.