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I have always advocated for Gimp but people esp designers want to stick to photoshop. Hope they understand the power of this open source

lbotos 9y ago
Think of it as Photoshop (Java) vs. Gimp (NodeJs). You are going to have a LOT more reach with Java for "career stability". That's why designers stick with it.
- krapp 9y ago
  It's not a matter of "career stability." It's a matter of the printer you send work to only being willing to work with PSD or PDF. If no one uses Gimp, and none of your tools integrate with Gimp's native format, and no one else's tools do either, and no one can open the files in their email, making them less portable than Adobe files, then Gimp is a technical liability, regardless of its quality.
disconnected 9y ago
Can GIMP load psd files correctly? I seem to remember that there was some trouble loading psd files, but I don't remember exactly what. Edit to add: I ask because if GIMP cannot handle the de facto standard image file type without too much fiddling, people won't touch it. It is the same problem LibreOffice has, actually.
- sqeaky 9y ago
  The notes OP linked to indicate that there are more fixes included in this version. It is likely what importing a .doc in open office was 10 years ago. It proably works 99% of the time but that 1% will be right before an important deadline or something.
  - enschlnd 9y ago
    >It proably works 99% of the time but that 1% will be right before an important deadline or something. Are you a terrorist i loved to make this joke and it hurts me that you're downvoting me friends
    - sqeaky 9y ago
      I downvoted nothing. I literally don't understand your comment and ignored it until I posted this.
      - enschlnd 9y ago
        I upvoted you because you were needlessly sincere. Thanks.
- Grue3 9y ago
  You can't expect a non-proprietary tool to handle a proprietary file format 100% correctly. People who have no need for file formats that only work with Adobe software can use GIMP just fine.
- jordache 9y ago
  GIMP doesn't support Smart Objects.. a huge shortcoming
- dagw 9y ago
  As long as you're dealing with layers of raster data loading psd files works. Once you start adding things like smart objects it fails. I use gimp to deal with psd files of web page layouts from designers and so far it's worked every time.
- kazinator 9y ago
  Never heard of PSD until your comment. Not so standard. Wikipedia: "A .PSD file is a layered image file used in Adobe PhotoShop." Oh, that's what you mean by "standard". Not "standard" as in, I can put onto a server, point a web page's IMG at it, and be confident it displays on everyone's browser. Or "standard" as in, documented in some RFC or other standard document. How well does Photoshop open the "standard" GIMP .xcf files?
  - yborg 9y ago
    Anybody in graphics design for more than 5 minutes any time in the last 25 years knows what a PSD file is. Because you are not familiar with a (defacto) industry standard doesn't make it non-standard. The Adobe PSD file format is documented in painful detail here https://www.adobe.com/devnet-apps/photoshop/fileformatashtml/ https://www.adobe.com/devnet-apps/photoshop/fileformatashtml... The format is binary and extremely convoluted, in part because it attempts to maintain compatibility with 20 years of versions of Photoshop. Because of this complexity, I am unaware of any program that can read or write a PSD file that supports all features of Photoshop. I am in fact aware of no non-Adobe program that will read and write a Photoshop file with editable text layers (including Gimp).
    - kazinator 9y ago
      > Anybody in graphics design for more than 5 minutes any time in the last 25 years knows what a PSD file is. Because you are not familiar with a (defacto) industry standard doesn't make it non-standard. True. I haven't used any program for image editing other than GIMP since 1996 (which I first installed on a GNU/Linux system running on a Sun Sparcstation 20!) > I am in fact aware of no non-Adobe program that will read and write a Photoshop file with editable text layers (including Gimp). That's just a consequence of being so incredibly standard.
      - na85 9y ago
        PSD is an industry standard.
- yarrel 9y ago
  "Better PSD Support The PSD plug-in now supports a wider range of blending modes for layers, at both importing and exporting: Linear Burn, Linear Light, Vivid Light, Pin Light, and Hard Mix blending modes. It also finally supports exporting layer groups and reads/writes the Pass Through mode in those. Additionally, GIMP now imports and exports color tags from/to PSD files." I don't use GIMP to load PSDs, but I don't remember the last time I had a problem with a Word doc in LibreOffice.
- prokoudine 9y ago
  Only as long as it's just bitmap layers with masks, and images are in RGB. Text layers will be rasterized. The rest of the features will usually be dropped.
glenndebacker 9y ago
Hope you understand that some of use need non destructive editing...

lbotos 9y ago

Think of it as Photoshop (Java) vs. Gimp (NodeJs). You are going to have a LOT more reach with Java for "career stability". That's why designers stick with it.

krapp 9y ago
It's not a matter of "career stability." It's a matter of the printer you send work to only being willing to work with PSD or PDF. If no one uses Gimp, and none of your tools integrate with Gimp's native format, and no one else's tools do either, and no one can open the files in their email, making them less portable than Adobe files, then Gimp is a technical liability, regardless of its quality.

disconnected 9y ago

Can GIMP load psd files correctly? I seem to remember that there was some trouble loading psd files, but I don't remember exactly what. Edit to add: I ask because if GIMP cannot handle the de facto standard image file type without too much fiddling, people won't touch it. It is the same problem LibreOffice has, actually.

sqeaky 9y ago
The notes OP linked to indicate that there are more fixes included in this version. It is likely what importing a .doc in open office was 10 years ago. It proably works 99% of the time but that 1% will be right before an important deadline or something.
- enschlnd 9y ago
  >It proably works 99% of the time but that 1% will be right before an important deadline or something. Are you a terrorist i loved to make this joke and it hurts me that you're downvoting me friends
  - sqeaky 9y ago
    I downvoted nothing. I literally don't understand your comment and ignored it until I posted this.
    - enschlnd 9y ago
      I upvoted you because you were needlessly sincere. Thanks.
Grue3 9y ago
You can't expect a non-proprietary tool to handle a proprietary file format 100% correctly. People who have no need for file formats that only work with Adobe software can use GIMP just fine.
jordache 9y ago
GIMP doesn't support Smart Objects.. a huge shortcoming
dagw 9y ago
As long as you're dealing with layers of raster data loading psd files works. Once you start adding things like smart objects it fails. I use gimp to deal with psd files of web page layouts from designers and so far it's worked every time.
kazinator 9y ago
Never heard of PSD until your comment. Not so standard. Wikipedia: "A .PSD file is a layered image file used in Adobe PhotoShop." Oh, that's what you mean by "standard". Not "standard" as in, I can put onto a server, point a web page's IMG at it, and be confident it displays on everyone's browser. Or "standard" as in, documented in some RFC or other standard document. How well does Photoshop open the "standard" GIMP .xcf files?
- yborg 9y ago
  Anybody in graphics design for more than 5 minutes any time in the last 25 years knows what a PSD file is. Because you are not familiar with a (defacto) industry standard doesn't make it non-standard. The Adobe PSD file format is documented in painful detail here https://www.adobe.com/devnet-apps/photoshop/fileformatashtml/ https://www.adobe.com/devnet-apps/photoshop/fileformatashtml... The format is binary and extremely convoluted, in part because it attempts to maintain compatibility with 20 years of versions of Photoshop. Because of this complexity, I am unaware of any program that can read or write a PSD file that supports all features of Photoshop. I am in fact aware of no non-Adobe program that will read and write a Photoshop file with editable text layers (including Gimp).
  - kazinator 9y ago
    > Anybody in graphics design for more than 5 minutes any time in the last 25 years knows what a PSD file is. Because you are not familiar with a (defacto) industry standard doesn't make it non-standard. True. I haven't used any program for image editing other than GIMP since 1996 (which I first installed on a GNU/Linux system running on a Sun Sparcstation 20!) > I am in fact aware of no non-Adobe program that will read and write a Photoshop file with editable text layers (including Gimp). That's just a consequence of being so incredibly standard.
    - na85 9y ago
      PSD is an industry standard.
yarrel 9y ago
"Better PSD Support The PSD plug-in now supports a wider range of blending modes for layers, at both importing and exporting: Linear Burn, Linear Light, Vivid Light, Pin Light, and Hard Mix blending modes. It also finally supports exporting layer groups and reads/writes the Pass Through mode in those. Additionally, GIMP now imports and exports color tags from/to PSD files." I don't use GIMP to load PSDs, but I don't remember the last time I had a problem with a Word doc in LibreOffice.
prokoudine 9y ago
Only as long as it's just bitmap layers with masks, and images are in RGB. Text layers will be rasterized. The rest of the features will usually be dropped.

glenndebacker 9y ago

Hope you understand that some of use need non destructive editing...