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>> According to the press of the time.. you saying all these stabbings, shootings, driving of vehicles into the crowd, gang rapes etc etc are made up by the pr

>> According to the press of the time.. you saying all these stabbings, shootings, driving of vehicles into the crowd, gang rapes etc etc are made up by the press? speaking of Sacco and Vanzetti - the government didn't do it's job and allowed violent anarchists into the country. so yes, shouldn't have let them in.

toyg 9y ago
> you saying all these stabbings, shootings, driving of vehicles into the crowd, gang rapes etc etc are made up by the press? A lot of them are, especially these days when you can have nameless blogs pushing crap into facebook. Statistics are bent or misread, tales exaggerated, and then the correction is printed two weeks later on page 31 on a single line in size 7. The actual statistical risk of immigrants committing crimes is much lower than average - don't take it from me, ask people who study this stuff: https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-crime-what-research-says https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-crime-what-research-sa... Of course actual terror attacks are another story, but those would likely happen anyway - you only need a tourist visa to do anything from 9/11 hijacks to renting a van. And going back to Sacco and Vanzetti, if you think the contribution the Italian-American community made to the US over 150 years are not worth an (alleged) murder or two, I honestly think the only way of life that would satisfy you is closer to an Amish lifestyle than anything vaguely modern.
- ChemicalWarfare 9y ago
  The study you're citing is completely irrelevant as we're talking specifically about the crime wave caused by the recent influx of ME refugees into EU. And even though the authorities are doing what they can by hiding the ethnicity of the perps or doing a straight up Orwellian cover-up - "it's the way the crime is reported you see, the actual crime has not increased" lol, some things are just too hard to hide. Like this right here as an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaul... or this: https://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2017/08/12/18-in-muslim-gang-rape-uk-girls-as-easy-prey https://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2017/08/12/18-in-muslim-g... or this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploit... etc etc ad nauseum. >>if you think the contribution the Italian-American community made to the US over 150 years are not worth an (alleged) murder or two... did I say "Italians" or "violent anarchists"? >> I honestly think the only way of life that would satisfy you is closer to an Amish lifestyle than anything vaguely modern. apparently all these "ungrateful eastern europeans" disagree :) don't know why though... I mean all this cultural enrichment at the small expense of getting raped by the thousands...
  - toyg 9y ago
    So you dismiss the study I quote as unrelated because not specific to the recent wave, then bring two out of three examples which are also completely unrelated. Specifically, the problems with child grooming in England are long-standing, Asians have mostly just replaced the locals (see all the stuff about Jimmy Savile, boarding schools etc). And Cologne is as much a failure of policing as a terrible event that has never happened before in Europe and will likely never happen again - so it's hardly exemplary. And yeah, eastern europeans have a problem with racism and refuse to admit it. Which is why they will likely be left behind at some point.
    - ChemicalWarfare 9y ago
      >> bring two out of three examples which are also completely unrelated as I'm sure you're aware there's no shortage of these for me to quote. literally as we speak: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/27/buckingham-palace-attack-second-man-held https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/27/buckingham-p... >> Asians :))) >> Cologne is as much a failure of policing as a terrible event that has never happened before in Europe ...before they let these ppl in that is >> eastern europeans have a problem with racism and refuse to admit it proof? maybe define 'racism' and go from there. >> they will likely be left behind... EU- wise - who knows. On a global scale though remains to be seen who is going to be "left behind". Tourism-wise Budapest and Prague already look much more attractive than Paris or some places in Germany. Things like this are pretty serious and are a pretty good indication of whats to come - http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/729782/Germany-no-go-police-afraid-lawless-areas-migrants-rule http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/729782/Germany-no-go-pol... Wouldn't be surprised to see US re-align more towards Central/Eastern Europe in terms of economic and military alliances going forward.

toyg 9y ago

> you saying all these stabbings, shootings, driving of vehicles into the crowd, gang rapes etc etc are made up by the press? A lot of them are, especially these days when you can have nameless blogs pushing crap into facebook. Statistics are bent or misread, tales exaggerated, and then the correction is printed two weeks later on page 31 on a single line in size 7. The actual statistical risk of immigrants committing crimes is much lower than average - don't take it from me, ask people who study this stuff: https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-crime-what-research-says https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-crime-what-research-sa... Of course actual terror attacks are another story, but those would likely happen anyway - you only need a tourist visa to do anything from 9/11 hijacks to renting a van. And going back to Sacco and Vanzetti, if you think the contribution the Italian-American community made to the US over 150 years are not worth an (alleged) murder or two, I honestly think the only way of life that would satisfy you is closer to an Amish lifestyle than anything vaguely modern.

ChemicalWarfare 9y ago
The study you're citing is completely irrelevant as we're talking specifically about the crime wave caused by the recent influx of ME refugees into EU. And even though the authorities are doing what they can by hiding the ethnicity of the perps or doing a straight up Orwellian cover-up - "it's the way the crime is reported you see, the actual crime has not increased" lol, some things are just too hard to hide. Like this right here as an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaul... or this: https://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2017/08/12/18-in-muslim-gang-rape-uk-girls-as-easy-prey https://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2017/08/12/18-in-muslim-g... or this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploit... etc etc ad nauseum. >>if you think the contribution the Italian-American community made to the US over 150 years are not worth an (alleged) murder or two... did I say "Italians" or "violent anarchists"? >> I honestly think the only way of life that would satisfy you is closer to an Amish lifestyle than anything vaguely modern. apparently all these "ungrateful eastern europeans" disagree :) don't know why though... I mean all this cultural enrichment at the small expense of getting raped by the thousands...
- toyg 9y ago
  So you dismiss the study I quote as unrelated because not specific to the recent wave, then bring two out of three examples which are also completely unrelated. Specifically, the problems with child grooming in England are long-standing, Asians have mostly just replaced the locals (see all the stuff about Jimmy Savile, boarding schools etc). And Cologne is as much a failure of policing as a terrible event that has never happened before in Europe and will likely never happen again - so it's hardly exemplary. And yeah, eastern europeans have a problem with racism and refuse to admit it. Which is why they will likely be left behind at some point.
  - ChemicalWarfare 9y ago
    >> bring two out of three examples which are also completely unrelated as I'm sure you're aware there's no shortage of these for me to quote. literally as we speak: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/27/buckingham-palace-attack-second-man-held https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/27/buckingham-p... >> Asians :))) >> Cologne is as much a failure of policing as a terrible event that has never happened before in Europe ...before they let these ppl in that is >> eastern europeans have a problem with racism and refuse to admit it proof? maybe define 'racism' and go from there. >> they will likely be left behind... EU- wise - who knows. On a global scale though remains to be seen who is going to be "left behind". Tourism-wise Budapest and Prague already look much more attractive than Paris or some places in Germany. Things like this are pretty serious and are a pretty good indication of whats to come - http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/729782/Germany-no-go-police-afraid-lawless-areas-migrants-rule http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/729782/Germany-no-go-pol... Wouldn't be surprised to see US re-align more towards Central/Eastern Europe in terms of economic and military alliances going forward.