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I don't see a brain drain happening. American academic pay is better than European/Canadian/Australian academic pay by too wide of a margin. As far as politics
by vostok 9y ago
I don't see a brain drain happening. American academic pay is better than European/Canadian/Australian academic pay by too wide of a margin.
As far as politics goes, I don't think America is that much worse (if at all worse) than other high paying countries.
- robotresearcher 9y agoCanada is getting some great talent right now. Americans, Brits, and people who would have gone to the US or UK are coming here. If we can keep them here, this will be a big boost for Canada long term.
- stephenmm 9y agoAgreed. My neighbor (a Mexican national in the U.S.) who has successfully started many companies is looking for a place in Canada this week. His moving will be a great loss to the U.S. economy and innovation.
- 9t3h4r3o5w1a4w2 9y agoCanada doesn't pay half as well as US when it comes to research in STEM. Every country has great talent right now, except US has the money.
- SubiculumCode 9y agoIf there was money then why are there not enough research positions open?
- vostok 9y agoI don't think this is a productive game to play. If there's not enough money then why is academic pay better in the US than almost anywhere in the developed world?
- robotresearcher 9y agoNot enough for what?
- devrandomguy 9y agoWhen the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned, only then will we realize that one cannot eat money. We don't have to pay as well, someone else will always be willing to ravage their own country to beat us at that game. We just have to not screw up the local society and environment as badly as the superpowers.
- vostok 9y agoSorry, can you flesh this out a little more? I'm not quite grasping how paying academics high wages is ravaging our country.
- devrandomguy 9y agoWhat I mean, is that it does not really matter that Canada is not the highest paying country in the world, because money is not the only factor in determining where academics choose to live. If we can offer an environment that is conducive to intellectual work (low financial stress, spiritually uplifting environment, a culture of mutual assistance, minimal neurotoxins in the food, water and air, good schools for their kids, freedom of thought and expression, minimal discrimination, no threat of war, etc) then academics will try to come here despite the fact that they won't be as financially wealthy in the global market. We can offer many of those features simply by leaving the huge local ecosystems intact and accessible, and by avoiding changes that cause parts of the population to become desperate.
- robotresearcher 9y agoThat's true. The uptick in Canadian academic hiring is about something other than money, I'm guessing.
- flamedoge 9y agoprobably canadians going back home because ... family.
- robotresearcher 9y agoThat's a roughly steady state flow, all else being equal, and wouldn't explain the change.
- swuecho 9y agoUS postdoc pay is around 40K. Cannot believe Canada pay around 20K.
- robotresearcher 9y agoDepends on field. I paid my last postdoc $90K CAD ($72K USD). It's hard to find good postdocs in AI with the job market right now. For biologists or other oversupplied PhDs, salaries are much lower.
- swuecho 9y agoI guess both US and Canda pay simliar to postdoc, even in China, because all of them are low.
- throthrothis 9y agoI made the move to Canada some years back. Coincidentally, there was a thread about H1B and here is my comment why I moved to Canada. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15100981 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15100981
- robotresearcher 9y agoI moved to Canada to escape the George W. Bush presidency. I couldn't in good conscience pay taxes to support the Iraq war. I took a 40% salary cut but the next few years dropped the US$ rapidly and made me some of that back. Also my family health costs dropped dramatically, making up more than the rest.