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Apparently the fact that the site had administrators (i.e. more than one) made it an association. By that definition a newspaper, TV network and anything else a

by aedron 9y ago

Apparently the fact that the site had administrators (i.e. more than one) made it an association. By that definition a newspaper, TV network and anything else are associations too I guess?

jacquesm 9y ago
By that definition almost anything is an association.
- yorwba 9y ago
  According to http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/vereinsg/__2.html http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/vereinsg/__2.html (my translation, emphasis mine, legalese is hard): (1) A Verein is regardless of the legal form any association formed voluntarily by a multitude of natural or legal persons over a longer timespan for a common purpose, subject to organized decision-making. (2) Vereine are not 1. political parties as defined by article 21 of the Grundgesetz [essentially the constitution] 2. parliamentary groups of the Bundestag and and the parliaments of federated states EDIT: banning a Verein is regulated by http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/vereinsg/__3.html http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/vereinsg/__3.html (1) A Verein may only be treated as banned (article 9 par. 2 of the Grundgesetz), if the banning agency determines that its purpose or its actions run counter to the criminal law or that it is directed against the constitutional order or the ideal of peaceful exchange between the peoples [Gedanke der Völkerverständigung; let me know if you have a better translation] ; the declaration is to order the dissolution of the Verein (ban). The ban is usually to involve the seizure of [a bunch of stuff I'm too lazy to translate]
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wongarsu 9y ago
The association part is a red herring. Of course a group of administrators is an association, just like CNN also happens to be (part of) a company. The important thing he is saying is that they treat them as if they weren't also a news outlet. I find that decision questionable, and I expect an interesting court case centered around the question which kinds of websites qualify as news outlets and which don't.
- zuzun 9y ago
  They had the legal form of a registered association [0] and the ministry claims it went against the German constitution: Associations whose aims or activities contravene the criminal laws, or that are directed against the constitutional order or the concept of international understanding, shall be prohibited. [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_association_(Germany) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_association_(German... [1] https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.html#p0056 https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.h...

by aedron 9y ago

Apparently the fact that the site had administrators (i.e. more than one) made it an association. By that definition a newspaper, TV network and anything else are associations too I guess?

jacquesm 9y ago

By that definition almost anything is an association.

yorwba 9y ago
According to http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/vereinsg/__2.html http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/vereinsg/__2.html (my translation, emphasis mine, legalese is hard): (1) A Verein is regardless of the legal form any association formed voluntarily by a multitude of natural or legal persons over a longer timespan for a common purpose, subject to organized decision-making. (2) Vereine are not 1. political parties as defined by article 21 of the Grundgesetz [essentially the constitution] 2. parliamentary groups of the Bundestag and and the parliaments of federated states EDIT: banning a Verein is regulated by http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/vereinsg/__3.html http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/vereinsg/__3.html (1) A Verein may only be treated as banned (article 9 par. 2 of the Grundgesetz), if the banning agency determines that its purpose or its actions run counter to the criminal law or that it is directed against the constitutional order or the ideal of peaceful exchange between the peoples [Gedanke der Völkerverständigung; let me know if you have a better translation] ; the declaration is to order the dissolution of the Verein (ban). The ban is usually to involve the seizure of [a bunch of stuff I'm too lazy to translate]

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wongarsu 9y ago

The association part is a red herring. Of course a group of administrators is an association, just like CNN also happens to be (part of) a company. The important thing he is saying is that they treat them as if they weren't also a news outlet. I find that decision questionable, and I expect an interesting court case centered around the question which kinds of websites qualify as news outlets and which don't.

zuzun 9y ago
They had the legal form of a registered association [0] and the ministry claims it went against the German constitution: Associations whose aims or activities contravene the criminal laws, or that are directed against the constitutional order or the concept of international understanding, shall be prohibited. [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_association_(Germany) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_association_(German... [1] https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.html#p0056 https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.h...