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>And finally, they're going to have to come up Nope, they are making too much money from Steam and microtransactions for CS:GO/DOTA/ etc. Now Valve is like

>And finally, they're going to have to come up Nope, they are making too much money from Steam and microtransactions for CS:GO/DOTA/ etc. Now Valve is like a fat pig to which gets lots of good food everyday. No reason to get up and "fight"/make games, the money gets to them anyway. Sad.

Lewton 9y ago
As someone with a Vive headset, I find this view, that Valve are sitting on their fat asses doing nothing while raking in cash, completely ridiculous. They're revolutionaries within an entirely new industry, and they're spending a lot of resources trying to get it to the point where it'll go mainstream. They're definitely not phoning it in
- letsgetphysITal 9y ago
  I look forward to being able to play Half-Life 3 on release day on my affordable VR-ready PC and headset. Another 5 or so years for both should be plenty.
  - stestagg 9y ago
    Is that 5 years in real time, or in valve time? ;)
- calcifer 9y ago
  As someone who ordered the Vive seconds after it went online, I find your view ridiculous. Everything Valve does is half-arsed. For example: - SteamOS is half-arsed: It barely gets updated and considering the vast resources available to them, they can actively fix all the problems upstream and pressure/encourage/incentivize game devs to release their games on SteamOS on day 1. - Steam Machines are half-arsed: Instead of releasing a high-end, premium, subsidized, perfect flagship machine, they just told PC vendors to take SteamOS and do whatever. Couldn't be more half-arsed if they tried. - Steam Controller is half-arsed: Same as above, they can afford to offer really good incentives to game developers to make the controller a first class input method in their games. - Vive is half-arsed: At launch, Vive had only one Valve-developed software and it was a simple & forgettable demo. They've been promising to release full, Valve developed games for the Vive since before the release and all we got so far is hot air. - Steam is half-arsed: Bugs that do not touch money making features have been left unfixed for years. People have been asking for library management improvements for a decade now and Valve simply doesn't care. I could go on for quite a bit more, but it's probably best to leave it here.
  - bfred_it 9y ago
    I can completely agree on Steam. I just opened it last week and it felt like a jump in the past. It may sound like a small detail but... when was the last time you saw a macOS app that's not retina? Steam's browser is not retina. Retina Macs have been around for 5 years. Five years.
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    - jjoonathan 9y ago
      A few days ago I had to manually clean out some registry keys to fix a Steam "frozen download" issue that has been open since 2006. Not 2016, 2006.
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  - Pica_soO 9y ago
    Even customers and critics are half assed ;)
  - Lewton 9y ago
    I don't really see what the rest got to do with my post. I've never used SteamOS/Controllers or have had any issues with Steam so I can't (and probably wouldn't) argue against any of that > Vive is half-arsed: At launch, Vive had only Valve-developed software and it was a simple & forgettable demo. The vive, hardware, was a full product when it came out. Not half arsed The lab isn't exactly what I'd call forgettable. It's basically the wii sports of the wii, which depending on who you are is either high praise or damning criticism. >They've been promising to release full, Valve developed games for the Vive since before the release and all we got so far is hot air. The fuck you expect? They've promised 3 full games, they're not just gonna shit 'em out. Do you want them to half-ass it or not?
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- justsayinyaknow 9y ago
  That's definitely valid, but as someone who really has zero interest in VR in any capacity I feel a little cast aside. Obviously Valve has no obligation to make a product just because there is demand, but I know many many people who have left games behind entirely who would shell out for a new PC just to play a new Half Life. Again, there is no obligation it just sucks that I'm not in their demographic anymore.
- lsadam0 9y ago
  Absolutely. I still hope that HL3 will be built as a VR game.
- ClassyJacket 9y ago
  I do just wish Valve was doing SOMETHING. Like, even if they just occasially improved the Steam Client. But it basically got one reskin in 14 years.
  - larsiusprime 9y ago
    There is a massive client upgrade in the works.
    - doldge 9y ago
      Are you able to add any further info to this? I assume you know about this courtesy of your position in the developer community, but do you know what's being upgraded, when it's expected to hit, or can you point us at a press release / etc?
      - larsiusprime 9y ago
        It was leaked: https://www.pcgamesn.com/steam-universal-new-client-leak https://www.pcgamesn.com/steam-universal-new-client-leak IIRC, they were asked about it in this interview and confirmed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atwE-K8y-ws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atwE-K8y-ws Might not be that exact video but I recall it being in one of the ones VNN did.
      - hacker_9 9y ago
        Not sure what the parent is referring to, but Steam Direct [1] is the most recent change to the Store. Before that there was the Discovery Update [2] released at the end of last year. [1] http://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/1328973169870947116 http://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/... [2] http://store.steampowered.com/about/newstore2016/ http://store.steampowered.com/about/newstore2016/
    - ClassyJacket 9y ago
      I'll believe that when I see it. Half-Life 2: Episode 3 was also in the works.
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- intoverflow2 9y ago
  I don't know how anyone can say that with a straight face. Imagine for a second if Nintendo or Sony had released a peripheral like that and had released nothing but a demo disk in over a year. There is no way people would be speaking about it as fondly as you are. I feel Valve gets way too much credit just because they run a digital Walmart with cheap games.
  - Lewton 9y ago
    > I don't know how anyone can say that with a straight face. Which part? Do you disagree that they're revolutionaries when it comes to VR? Every headset out there right now is based on the prototype tech they developed > Imagine for a second if Nintendo or Sony had released a peripheral like that and had released nothing but a demo disk in over a year. Imagine for a second that Valve had ten times as many employees as they currently do. Then maybe it would be comparable?
neor 9y ago
Valve has slowly transitioned from a game developer to a platform developer. They make more money with Steam than they would ever do with a single game, and with Steam they have done the entire gaming community a huge service. I have always expected Valve to come up with Half Life 3 to boost one of their new toys. For example, release it for Steam Box with VR support and something new/cool in the gameplay; having the portal gun in a more open world game would be awesome... Never releasing Half-Life 3 won't be because Valve is lazy, if they cancel it I think it would be because the current generation of gamers haven't even played Half Life 2, so the market for it might have disappeared.
- Pica_soO 9y ago
  If you are as good as valve once where- you can make the market appear from thin air. Chicken and egg dilemmas do not apply to someone with such abundance of finance. Well, time to close the steam account. Nothing to see here.

Lewton 9y ago

As someone with a Vive headset, I find this view, that Valve are sitting on their fat asses doing nothing while raking in cash, completely ridiculous. They're revolutionaries within an entirely new industry, and they're spending a lot of resources trying to get it to the point where it'll go mainstream. They're definitely not phoning it in

letsgetphysITal 9y ago
I look forward to being able to play Half-Life 3 on release day on my affordable VR-ready PC and headset. Another 5 or so years for both should be plenty.
- stestagg 9y ago
  Is that 5 years in real time, or in valve time? ;)
calcifer 9y ago
As someone who ordered the Vive seconds after it went online, I find your view ridiculous. Everything Valve does is half-arsed. For example: - SteamOS is half-arsed: It barely gets updated and considering the vast resources available to them, they can actively fix all the problems upstream and pressure/encourage/incentivize game devs to release their games on SteamOS on day 1. - Steam Machines are half-arsed: Instead of releasing a high-end, premium, subsidized, perfect flagship machine, they just told PC vendors to take SteamOS and do whatever. Couldn't be more half-arsed if they tried. - Steam Controller is half-arsed: Same as above, they can afford to offer really good incentives to game developers to make the controller a first class input method in their games. - Vive is half-arsed: At launch, Vive had only one Valve-developed software and it was a simple & forgettable demo. They've been promising to release full, Valve developed games for the Vive since before the release and all we got so far is hot air. - Steam is half-arsed: Bugs that do not touch money making features have been left unfixed for years. People have been asking for library management improvements for a decade now and Valve simply doesn't care. I could go on for quite a bit more, but it's probably best to leave it here.
- bfred_it 9y ago
  I can completely agree on Steam. I just opened it last week and it felt like a jump in the past. It may sound like a small detail but... when was the last time you saw a macOS app that's not retina? Steam's browser is not retina. Retina Macs have been around for 5 years. Five years.
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  - jjoonathan 9y ago
    A few days ago I had to manually clean out some registry keys to fix a Steam "frozen download" issue that has been open since 2006. Not 2016, 2006.
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- Pica_soO 9y ago
  Even customers and critics are half assed ;)
- Lewton 9y ago
  I don't really see what the rest got to do with my post. I've never used SteamOS/Controllers or have had any issues with Steam so I can't (and probably wouldn't) argue against any of that > Vive is half-arsed: At launch, Vive had only Valve-developed software and it was a simple & forgettable demo. The vive, hardware, was a full product when it came out. Not half arsed The lab isn't exactly what I'd call forgettable. It's basically the wii sports of the wii, which depending on who you are is either high praise or damning criticism. >They've been promising to release full, Valve developed games for the Vive since before the release and all we got so far is hot air. The fuck you expect? They've promised 3 full games, they're not just gonna shit 'em out. Do you want them to half-ass it or not?
  - calcifer 9y ago
justsayinyaknow 9y ago
That's definitely valid, but as someone who really has zero interest in VR in any capacity I feel a little cast aside. Obviously Valve has no obligation to make a product just because there is demand, but I know many many people who have left games behind entirely who would shell out for a new PC just to play a new Half Life. Again, there is no obligation it just sucks that I'm not in their demographic anymore.
lsadam0 9y ago
Absolutely. I still hope that HL3 will be built as a VR game.
ClassyJacket 9y ago
I do just wish Valve was doing SOMETHING. Like, even if they just occasially improved the Steam Client. But it basically got one reskin in 14 years.
- larsiusprime 9y ago
  There is a massive client upgrade in the works.
  - doldge 9y ago
    Are you able to add any further info to this? I assume you know about this courtesy of your position in the developer community, but do you know what's being upgraded, when it's expected to hit, or can you point us at a press release / etc?
    - larsiusprime 9y ago
      It was leaked: https://www.pcgamesn.com/steam-universal-new-client-leak https://www.pcgamesn.com/steam-universal-new-client-leak IIRC, they were asked about it in this interview and confirmed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atwE-K8y-ws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atwE-K8y-ws Might not be that exact video but I recall it being in one of the ones VNN did.
    - hacker_9 9y ago
      Not sure what the parent is referring to, but Steam Direct [1] is the most recent change to the Store. Before that there was the Discovery Update [2] released at the end of last year. [1] http://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/1328973169870947116 http://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/... [2] http://store.steampowered.com/about/newstore2016/ http://store.steampowered.com/about/newstore2016/
  - ClassyJacket 9y ago
    I'll believe that when I see it. Half-Life 2: Episode 3 was also in the works.
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intoverflow2 9y ago
I don't know how anyone can say that with a straight face. Imagine for a second if Nintendo or Sony had released a peripheral like that and had released nothing but a demo disk in over a year. There is no way people would be speaking about it as fondly as you are. I feel Valve gets way too much credit just because they run a digital Walmart with cheap games.
- Lewton 9y ago
  > I don't know how anyone can say that with a straight face. Which part? Do you disagree that they're revolutionaries when it comes to VR? Every headset out there right now is based on the prototype tech they developed > Imagine for a second if Nintendo or Sony had released a peripheral like that and had released nothing but a demo disk in over a year. Imagine for a second that Valve had ten times as many employees as they currently do. Then maybe it would be comparable?

neor 9y ago

Valve has slowly transitioned from a game developer to a platform developer. They make more money with Steam than they would ever do with a single game, and with Steam they have done the entire gaming community a huge service. I have always expected Valve to come up with Half Life 3 to boost one of their new toys. For example, release it for Steam Box with VR support and something new/cool in the gameplay; having the portal gun in a more open world game would be awesome... Never releasing Half-Life 3 won't be because Valve is lazy, if they cancel it I think it would be because the current generation of gamers haven't even played Half Life 2, so the market for it might have disappeared.

Pica_soO 9y ago
If you are as good as valve once where- you can make the market appear from thin air. Chicken and egg dilemmas do not apply to someone with such abundance of finance. Well, time to close the steam account. Nothing to see here.