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First of all, Valve has lost some interest in single player games [1] Valve is also likely waiting for their new game engine, Source 2, to be completed because

First of all, Valve has lost some interest in single player games [1] Valve is also likely waiting for their new game engine, Source 2, to be completed because Source 1 is hideously outdated by today's standards. And finally, they're going to have to come up with something truly great to live up to nearly 10 years of hype [1]https://kotaku.com/5795355/valve-probably-done-with-single-player-games https://kotaku.com/5795355/valve-probably-done-with-single-p...

gcp 9y ago
They are already running their largest game, Dota 2, on the Source 2 engine.
croon 9y ago
> Valve is also likely waiting for their new game engine, Source 2, to be completed because Source 1 is hideously outdated by today's standards. Source 2 was patched into Dota 2 years ago, and being patched into CS:GO this year. Furthermore Source 1 didn't really get outdated as such, it got iterated on numerous times before introducing Source 2, which I assume will not be "completed" until Source 3 gets named the next version.
- klondike_ 9y ago
  I'm assuming it's still not complete because there's still no news about a developer SDK (I'd assume they'd love to rake in engine licensing as soon as possible) >Furthermore Source 1 didn't really get outdated as such, it got iterated on numerous times before introducing Source 2, which I assume will not be "completed" until Source 3 gets named the next version. The main outdated thing about Source 1 is the authoring tools, which haven't changed much since Half Life 1 was released. Source 2 is supposed to fix that.
  - erikj 9y ago
    The new authoring tools are already available for Dota 2, you can install them in Steam.
  - cptskippy 9y ago
    > I'd assume they'd love to rake in engine licensing as soon as possible Source does rely on several other technologies (i.e. Miles, Blink, Havok) that you must license from their respective license holders, however Source is free to use if you're distributing on Steam and you only need to license the Source Engine for distribution off Steam or if you choose to distribute the SDK's tools with your game. So with that in mind, I doubt the rely much on licensing fees as a source of revenue.
- gnagatomo 9y ago
  >and being patched into CS:GO this year Do you have source for this?
  - croon 9y ago
    https://www.pcgamesn.com/counter-strike-global-offensive/csgo-next-operation-source-2-ai-cheat-detection https://www.pcgamesn.com/counter-strike-global-offensive/csg... Although this is from the Chinese press conference, and Valve hasn't confirmed it officially, it's at least credible.
  - 83457 9y ago
    Not confirmed that entire game will be Source 2 based but they are certainly working on elements of it. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Gaben/comments/5olhj4/hi_im_gabe_newell_ama/dck9w16/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Gaben/comments/5olhj4/hi_im_gab...
- idbehold 9y ago
  > which I assume will not be "completed" until Source 3 gets named the next version. Haven't you heard? Valve never releases a third version of anything.
- mkane848 9y ago
  I'm not really holding my breath on CS:GO getting that sort of treatment. They told us months ago we'd basically be getting a shoe-horned in Panorama UI and NOT a full Source 2 Reborn-type deal.
SmallDeadGuy 9y ago
I'm surprised it's not complete yet. DotA 2 has been using it for 2 years, but CS:GO is still being ported to it and expected to be finished later this year.
mariusmg 9y ago
>And finally, they're going to have to come up Nope, they are making too much money from Steam and microtransactions for CS:GO/DOTA/ etc. Now Valve is like a fat pig to which gets lots of good food everyday. No reason to get up and "fight"/make games, the money gets to them anyway. Sad.
- Lewton 9y ago
  As someone with a Vive headset, I find this view, that Valve are sitting on their fat asses doing nothing while raking in cash, completely ridiculous. They're revolutionaries within an entirely new industry, and they're spending a lot of resources trying to get it to the point where it'll go mainstream. They're definitely not phoning it in
  - letsgetphysITal 9y ago
    I look forward to being able to play Half-Life 3 on release day on my affordable VR-ready PC and headset. Another 5 or so years for both should be plenty.
    - stestagg 9y ago
      Is that 5 years in real time, or in valve time? ;)
  - calcifer 9y ago
    As someone who ordered the Vive seconds after it went online, I find your view ridiculous. Everything Valve does is half-arsed. For example: - SteamOS is half-arsed: It barely gets updated and considering the vast resources available to them, they can actively fix all the problems upstream and pressure/encourage/incentivize game devs to release their games on SteamOS on day 1. - Steam Machines are half-arsed: Instead of releasing a high-end, premium, subsidized, perfect flagship machine, they just told PC vendors to take SteamOS and do whatever. Couldn't be more half-arsed if they tried. - Steam Controller is half-arsed: Same as above, they can afford to offer really good incentives to game developers to make the controller a first class input method in their games. - Vive is half-arsed: At launch, Vive had only one Valve-developed software and it was a simple & forgettable demo. They've been promising to release full, Valve developed games for the Vive since before the release and all we got so far is hot air. - Steam is half-arsed: Bugs that do not touch money making features have been left unfixed for years. People have been asking for library management improvements for a decade now and Valve simply doesn't care. I could go on for quite a bit more, but it's probably best to leave it here.
fleetfox 9y ago
Source2 has been done for a long time. It's not published yet because they don't have it documented and figured out whole packaging and publishing process. Source: https://youtu.be/YpaNnX_9Q5s?t=1641 https://youtu.be/YpaNnX_9Q5s?t=1641
ErneX 9y ago
Titanfall and Titanfall 2 run on a modified Source engine as well, don't know if it qualifies as "Source 2" but those are 2 recent games

gcp 9y ago

They are already running their largest game, Dota 2, on the Source 2 engine.

croon 9y ago

> Valve is also likely waiting for their new game engine, Source 2, to be completed because Source 1 is hideously outdated by today's standards. Source 2 was patched into Dota 2 years ago, and being patched into CS:GO this year. Furthermore Source 1 didn't really get outdated as such, it got iterated on numerous times before introducing Source 2, which I assume will not be "completed" until Source 3 gets named the next version.

klondike_ 9y ago
I'm assuming it's still not complete because there's still no news about a developer SDK (I'd assume they'd love to rake in engine licensing as soon as possible) >Furthermore Source 1 didn't really get outdated as such, it got iterated on numerous times before introducing Source 2, which I assume will not be "completed" until Source 3 gets named the next version. The main outdated thing about Source 1 is the authoring tools, which haven't changed much since Half Life 1 was released. Source 2 is supposed to fix that.
- erikj 9y ago
  The new authoring tools are already available for Dota 2, you can install them in Steam.
- cptskippy 9y ago
  > I'd assume they'd love to rake in engine licensing as soon as possible Source does rely on several other technologies (i.e. Miles, Blink, Havok) that you must license from their respective license holders, however Source is free to use if you're distributing on Steam and you only need to license the Source Engine for distribution off Steam or if you choose to distribute the SDK's tools with your game. So with that in mind, I doubt the rely much on licensing fees as a source of revenue.
gnagatomo 9y ago
>and being patched into CS:GO this year Do you have source for this?
- croon 9y ago
  https://www.pcgamesn.com/counter-strike-global-offensive/csgo-next-operation-source-2-ai-cheat-detection https://www.pcgamesn.com/counter-strike-global-offensive/csg... Although this is from the Chinese press conference, and Valve hasn't confirmed it officially, it's at least credible.
- 83457 9y ago
  Not confirmed that entire game will be Source 2 based but they are certainly working on elements of it. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Gaben/comments/5olhj4/hi_im_gabe_newell_ama/dck9w16/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Gaben/comments/5olhj4/hi_im_gab...
idbehold 9y ago
> which I assume will not be "completed" until Source 3 gets named the next version. Haven't you heard? Valve never releases a third version of anything.
mkane848 9y ago
I'm not really holding my breath on CS:GO getting that sort of treatment. They told us months ago we'd basically be getting a shoe-horned in Panorama UI and NOT a full Source 2 Reborn-type deal.

SmallDeadGuy 9y ago

I'm surprised it's not complete yet. DotA 2 has been using it for 2 years, but CS:GO is still being ported to it and expected to be finished later this year.

mariusmg 9y ago

>And finally, they're going to have to come up Nope, they are making too much money from Steam and microtransactions for CS:GO/DOTA/ etc. Now Valve is like a fat pig to which gets lots of good food everyday. No reason to get up and "fight"/make games, the money gets to them anyway. Sad.

Lewton 9y ago
As someone with a Vive headset, I find this view, that Valve are sitting on their fat asses doing nothing while raking in cash, completely ridiculous. They're revolutionaries within an entirely new industry, and they're spending a lot of resources trying to get it to the point where it'll go mainstream. They're definitely not phoning it in
- letsgetphysITal 9y ago
  I look forward to being able to play Half-Life 3 on release day on my affordable VR-ready PC and headset. Another 5 or so years for both should be plenty.
  - stestagg 9y ago
    Is that 5 years in real time, or in valve time? ;)
- calcifer 9y ago
  As someone who ordered the Vive seconds after it went online, I find your view ridiculous. Everything Valve does is half-arsed. For example: - SteamOS is half-arsed: It barely gets updated and considering the vast resources available to them, they can actively fix all the problems upstream and pressure/encourage/incentivize game devs to release their games on SteamOS on day 1. - Steam Machines are half-arsed: Instead of releasing a high-end, premium, subsidized, perfect flagship machine, they just told PC vendors to take SteamOS and do whatever. Couldn't be more half-arsed if they tried. - Steam Controller is half-arsed: Same as above, they can afford to offer really good incentives to game developers to make the controller a first class input method in their games. - Vive is half-arsed: At launch, Vive had only one Valve-developed software and it was a simple & forgettable demo. They've been promising to release full, Valve developed games for the Vive since before the release and all we got so far is hot air. - Steam is half-arsed: Bugs that do not touch money making features have been left unfixed for years. People have been asking for library management improvements for a decade now and Valve simply doesn't care. I could go on for quite a bit more, but it's probably best to leave it here.

fleetfox 9y ago

Source2 has been done for a long time. It's not published yet because they don't have it documented and figured out whole packaging and publishing process. Source: https://youtu.be/YpaNnX_9Q5s?t=1641 https://youtu.be/YpaNnX_9Q5s?t=1641

ErneX 9y ago

Titanfall and Titanfall 2 run on a modified Source engine as well, don't know if it qualifies as "Source 2" but those are 2 recent games